Ranger vs Warrior Archer

[Ivory]

So much misinformation!

Archery doesn't work like melee weapons.....it isn't that it is doing half damage, it is just that it doesn't get the bonus as you level up and it calculates the weapon damage differently.

So a 20/40 bow feels like a 10/40 sword (but it isn't some natural mitigation coming from the mobs). But, unlike melee, archery also has arrows. So having a 20 damage bow + a 10 damage arrow means you are wielding a 30 damage weapon (though, again, in melee terms it feels more like a 15 damage weapon).

This is why a really fast bow can actually be strong if you are using some high damage arrows (though who wants to burn through money like that? :P Still, would be interesting to see how well it would DPS with the right bow / arrow combo).

Also rangers are the only ones who get double damage at 51 against unmoving (and unrooted) targets. This sets them apart at higher levels when using pure archery. But you also have to remember that doing damage as an archer isn't just the bow.....adding onto it with spells is SUPER important (something warriors can't really do).

Trueshot also doubles your damage (stacking with the ranger natural double damage). So if you would have shot for 10, you would hit for 20 instead. This means you can have some pretty wimpy trueshot shots. But also some spectacular criticals.

[7thGate]

Ranger DPS with bows and high quality arrows is actually not bad. ALS has been having our rangers shoot from outside AOE range on a number of different targets. We did a parse once on the bee queen in sky, and the two rangers did 5075 and 4281 damage respectively in, IIRC, 55 seconds with trueshot active (60 and 56 rangers, Exquisite Velium/Windstriker and 5 damage arrows, respectively). That was 2nd and 3rd on the raid, behind a 60 rogue at 5975. We also had the 56 ranger parse against Vindi once, and did about 3500 damage/minute.

The important part about it is that arrows can't eat enrage if the mob death touches and flips on the DPS, they can't be disrupted with dragon fear, they can't be slowed or stunned by breath weapon attacks. Its just 80-90% of rogue DPS for 2 minutes completely unimpeded by whatever a mob's abilities to mess with the raid are, and that can be very strong, especially against old world mobs that rely on AOE damage/debilitation effects to stop the raid from just straight up murdering their small HP pools.

[Jimjam]

Your mention of sky has reminded me; bows are also a great way to avoid PBAoE dispels! Also, when kiting casters, during the time they stand still to cast their spells you will get the stationary bonus as a 51 ranger.

[Asscastle]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OK gentlemen

What other roleplay classes are there and could I think I would like to play one.. but idk what etoeher combos could you make that would be fun to RP and annoy other players with?

The only gnome SK in the game - a bertoxx cleric who spams the initiate symbol clicky (disease cloud) and melees things to death. If anyone asks about the complete heals, just say that you have a lot of reapers of the dead in your bags. Get a staff of discord to make it look like you have a painbringer's rod. Insist on tanking in every group.

[skarlorn]

Originally Posted by 7thGate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ranger DPS with bows and high quality arrows is actually not bad. ALS has been having our rangers shoot from outside AOE range on a number of different targets. We did a parse once on the bee queen in sky, and the two rangers did 5075 and 4281 damage respectively in, IIRC, 55 seconds with trueshot active (60 and 56 rangers, Exquisite Velium/Windstriker and 5 damage arrows, respectively). That was 2nd and 3rd on the raid, behind a 60 rogue at 5975. We also had the 56 ranger parse against Vindi once, and did about 3500 damage/minute.

The important part about it is that arrows can't eat enrage if the mob death touches and flips on the DPS, they can't be disrupted with dragon fear, they can't be slowed or stunned by breath weapon attacks. Its just 80-90% of rogue DPS for 2 minutes completely unimpeded by whatever a mob's abilities to mess with the raid are, and that can be very strong, especially against old world mobs that rely on AOE damage/debilitation effects to stop the raid from just straight up murdering their small HP pools.

love u guys

[Xealias]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh also,



Rooted mobs will mitigate 50% archery damage, so you'll hit for half damage - this is what I thought people meant by "stationary".

Literally every post you've made in this thread has been wrong. You should feel bad if you main a ranger.

Ivory seems like the bestest ranger tbh. I think I love him/her.

[Rainik Stormseeker]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

love u guys

Thanks Skar =) Our bee fight trueshot ranger line is indeed glorious.

[kotton05]

A warriors bow is better, higher skill