Riot kites then kills KT. Surprised no free Vulak after wiping on free attempt.

[tacomagradd]

Originally Posted by ArbiterBlixen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So there's no conclusive evidence of a train? Sounds more like a crying wolf situation.

Vanq making new accounts to deny this one. Next level self delusion. lol.

Watch the video, or read the post history.

The truth is out there.

*Alien Music Plays*

[aztec42321]

I love how they are all pretending like they have no idea what sit aggro is. Why do you think raids order everyone to STAND when bringing something like Vindi or a flurry into camp? Because those mobs will jump sitting players BEFORE those that are highest on their aggro list. Players like those that are sitting attempting to camp out (again) when their raid comms are telling everyone that a certain necro has dragged a train into camp.

But please, keep talking down to us acting like we don't understand game mechanics...

[remen]

Originally Posted by titanshub [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you even read the stuff we have written or do you just not bother because it doesn't align with your narrative? There is an explanation of how this can be done buried in this thread but if you don't want to bother you can wait for the petition.

Also you are incorrect about AOE making you stand up from an FD.

The bolded statement alone demonstrates that you don't have even a basic understand of feign death mechanics. If you are hit by an AoE while FD, it will break your FD 100% of the time.

That being said, I've read your "explanation" of how this could have happened in a way that fits your narrative of being trained. An explanation of a possibility is far from a fact. There are other (more likely) explanations of how you all trained yourselves.

Originally Posted by tacomagradd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At 1:51 of that video you can see at least 4 flurries attack 4 different people. Those four people didn't all pull agro after it all reset. They had the train dropped on them from Klaz, who stood up and feigned it back on top of them. If it was just Hoyi, or just Darmai, or a GUID number issue, then I don't see the mobs having 4 different targets.

I don't have any confidence that you are convincible, yet here I am.

In this post, your are either lying intentionally or just oblivious. Show me any fraps in which he stands up prior to the train coming in. Every angle I've seen shows him run up and FD well before the train comes in. The 3 way mobs reset, and he doesn't stand until after the train comes in and breaks his FD.

Originally Posted by tacomagradd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

he obviously had agro, stood up, trained & fd'd again. The whole video mashup will be in the petition for GMs to decide.

I would like folks to sit down and /assist a flurry mob when it comes into camp at Aary and see what happens. Does it go to the puller, or the person sitting?

Again, not obvious that he had agro, stood up, and trained. It's actually obvious that he didn't because you don't see that anywhere in any of the videos.

It goes to the puller.

Originally Posted by tacomagradd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Vanq making new accounts to deny this one. Next level self delusion. lol.

Watch the video, or read the post history.

The truth is out there.

The truth is right here, you just don't want to see it. You would rather play the victim and make excuses. Instead of learning from your raid's failure and improving, you choose to blame others. This is why you guys never get better, and get beat week after week.

[remen]

Originally Posted by aztec42321 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love how they are all pretending like they have no idea what sit aggro is. Why do you think raids order everyone to STAND when bringing something like Vindi or a flurry into camp? Because those mobs will jump sitting players BEFORE those that are highest on their aggro list. Players like those that are sitting attempting to camp out (again) when their raid comms are telling everyone that a certain necro has dragged a train into camp.

But please, keep talking down to us acting like we don't understand game mechanics...

People saying stuff like:

"Also you are incorrect about AOE making you stand up from an FD."

Are why we are explaining game mechanics in our posts. Some of your raid members don't have a basic understanding. A lot do, but for those that do not, simple explanations are apparently required.

[Nutsax]

Originally Posted by remen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People saying stuff like:

"Also you are incorrect about AOE making you stand up from an FD."

Are why we are explaining game mechanics in our posts. Some of your raid members don't have a basic understanding. A lot do, but for those that do not, simple explanations are apparently required.

Oh good, you give simple explanations, please give a simple explanation to each of the following:
1.Why did Klaz run past a competing guild and fd?
2.Why didn't Klaz /q when he realized he ran past an entire raid force and flopped?
3.Why was Klaz attacked immediately after all the sitting people?
4.Why were new piercing roars sent immediately after Klaz dies?

Thank you in advance for your response to these 4 questions.

[remen]

Originally Posted by titanshub [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Provide an alternate explanation that fits with known game mechanics and the evidence or just admit it and let's move on.

Darmai is a 60 chanter who just cycled.

A member of your raid was at some point within social range of the train / vulak guards. He ran back into your camp and never cycled. After our kiters died, he was the only one left on the agro table so they came for him.

I don't know if this is what happened, but it is certainly a plausible and simpler explanation, and fits what is seen on the videos much better than your guys convoluted theory, that you are pushing as fact.

Can you show where Darmai is seen cycling? I don't see it in any of the many fraps posted.

Originally Posted by titanshub [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For the last time, the train was clearly and provably dropped prior to the assist going off.

You can also show that Klaz was casting FD exactly 1.5 seconds prior to those two drakes charging the raid. Later when Klaz stands up all the drakes start moving towards him on the first frame of his stand animation proving he is higher than anyone else on the aggro table. Explain why your guild member was casting FD exactly as the train aggro'ed on the raid. Explain why your guild member was the highest person on the aggro table when he stands up from that FD. Explain why all the new drakes coming into camp give off new piercing roar/charges when he dies.

No, it's not clear or provable that your interpretation of what happened is correct. It requires going along with a lot of assumptions

Everything in bold is your interpretation of the videos posted. You can't and don't show that klax is casting FD exactly 1.5 seconds before the drakes charged the raid. In all of the videos and fraps that you guys took, not one person has a shot of him standing up and FDing again. I find that pretty suspect.

Next, you say that when klax stands up the drakes instantly go for him. First, it's not a fact that he stands up, his FD could have been broken by an AoE. Also, it doesn't matter that the mobs then charge him. He could have been the next highest on the aggro table, but even if he was, that is irrelevant because the mobs would have never come into camp if you didn't train yourselves. He also may have been low health after getting hit by the AoE, jumping him to the top of the aggro tables.

Explain why you don't have any video of him standing up and flopping again, as you allege he did. Explain why you haven't proven that no members of your raid had social aggro on the train. Explain why the train skipped over the people sitting nearest to the ramp, and go around the corner to kill specific players there. Explain why the /assist on the train was a member of your raid. Explain why none of the videos posted show the few minutes before the train came in. My suspicion is that would show that players of your raid were within social range of the train, and that many members of your raid did not cycle camp.

[remen]

Oh good, you give simple explanations, please give a simple explanation to each of
the following:

1.Why did Klaz run past a competing guild and fd?

To find a safe place to FD out of range of any AoE, to avoid dying. Or to keep an eye on the status of your raid so he can help us figure out how quickly we need to try and recover. Or to be able to let us know when you are all moving up to engage, so we could possibly try to engage first if we are ready enough.


2.Why didn't Klaz /q when he realized he ran past an entire raid force and flopped?

To be able to give us status updates on your raid.

3.Why was Klaz attacked immediately after all the sitting people?

He was the highest on the agro table prior to feigning death, so once his FD was broken by the AoE of the train you guys brought in, the mobs went for him.

Or he had low health agro, so once his FD was broken by the mobs AoE, he immediately jumped to the top of the agro tables.

4.Why were new piercing roars sent immediately after Klaz dies?

The mobs first killed the dirty members of your raid that caused the train. You can note that the train skipped the closest people who were sitting, and went around the corner and killed four or five people specific people there, before going to Klax. The AoE broke the FD of klax who is still on the agro tables. After they kill him, there are no players left on the agro tables so new messages go out.

Thank you in advance for your response to these 4 questions.

No prob, happy to explain.

[Dugface]

23 pages of absolute fucking bollocks. Keep it going.

[remen]

We needed some raid related drama, this place had gotten so boring and stale!

[Nutsax]

Originally Posted by remen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh good, you give simple explanations, please give a simple explanation to each of
the following:

1.Why did Klaz run past a competing guild and fd?

To find a safe place to FD out of range of any AoE, to avoid dying. Or to keep an eye on the status of your raid so he can help us figure out how quickly we need to try and recover. Or to be able to let us know when you are all moving up to engage, so we could possibly try to engage first if we are ready enough.


2.Why didn't Klaz /q when he realized he ran past an entire raid force and flopped?

To be able to give us status updates on your raid.

3.Why was Klaz attacked immediately after all the sitting people?

He was the highest on the agro table prior to feigning death, so once his FD was broken by the AoE of the train you guys brought in, the mobs went for him.

Or he had low health agro, so once his FD was broken by the mobs AoE, he immediately jumped to the top of the agro tables.

4.Why were new piercing roars sent immediately after Klaz dies?

The mobs first killed the dirty members of your raid that caused the train. You can note that the train skipped the closest people who were sitting, and went around the corner and killed four or five people specific people there, before going to Klax. The AoE broke the FD of klax who is still on the agro tables. After they kill him, there are no players left on the agro tables so new messages go out.

Thank you in advance for your response to these 4 questions.

No prob, happy to explain.

LOL just LOL.