System rotation target ?

[Uaellaen]

Even if you wanted to track them all 24/7 you'd be at a massive disadvantage against the guild who recruits anything with a pulse.

dont think we have been at a disadvantage against guilds that recruit everything with a pulse, they usualy shoot them selfs in the leg, because exactly those people that do not have more then a pulse are still cappable of wiping whole raids [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Uaellaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dont think we have been at a disadvantage against guilds that recruit everything with a pulse, they usualy shoot them selfs in the leg, because exactly those people that do not have more then a pulse are still cappable of wiping whole raids [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And don't you think it'd seem a bit more suitable and reasonable had this all happened on rules that at least somewhat resembled classic raiding and not introduced a new mechanic?

[Hasbinbad]

A friend of mine recommended this thread to me. He said it delivers. He was right.

I've never seen so much arguing - so much passionate debate - over something which hasn't even been presented.

Skope I have to give it to you. This is a masterful troll. 10/10. Hands down the best troll of 2011 so far.

..which of course begs the question: "WTF happened to Divinity?"

Hasbinbad, signing off.

[Uaellaen]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And don't you think it'd seem a bit more suitable and reasonable had this all happened on rules that at least somewhat resembled classic raiding and not introduced a new mechanic?

man we tried it all, we had a "guild council" going with divinity, transcendence, remedy, and IB ... even gothic circle came to some meetings and we setup raid rules and so on ... but there will always be a bunch of people that dont want to act according to those rules, and the guides / GMs have better things to do then babysitt us with our petty rules ...

so after a while the staff changed the server raid rules to what they are today, and from that day on it got a bit more peaceful on this server ... and you want to go back and unleash that training hell from 1 year ago? lol ...

the only thing getting rid of the variance would do is go back to a poopsock fest and test guilds as to who is willing enought to poopsock the longest to claim spawns ...

at the moment its FTE and mobilisation / knowing when a mob poped is what gets you raid mobs ... if you do not want to invest that kind of time, you do not have to ... Remedy kept out of that shit for a long while, and we still got the odd draco or inny ... of course now there is way more competition, but tracking a target with a handfull of people cycling the tracking is not that hard ...

[Nedala]

And there are also enough server repops so you could still compete for many targets without having to track.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Uaellaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

man we tried it all, we had a "guild council" going with divinity, transcendence, remedy, and IB ... even gothic circle came to some meetings and we setup raid rules and so on ... but there will always be a bunch of people that dont want to act according to those rules, and the guides / GMs have better things to do then babysitt us with our petty rules ...

so after a while the staff changed the server raid rules to what they are today, and from that day on it got a bit more peaceful on this server ... and you want to go back and unleash that training hell from 1 year ago? lol ...

the only thing getting rid of the variance would do is go back to a poopsock fest and test guilds as to who is willing enought to poopsock the longest to claim spawns ...

at the moment its FTE and mobilisation / knowing when a mob poped is what gets you raid mobs ... if you do not want to invest that kind of time, you do not have to ... Remedy kept out of that shit for a long while, and we still got the odd draco or inny ... of course now there is way more competition, but tracking a target with a handfull of people cycling the tracking is not that hard ...

it's not about hard, forget hard. we created hard. it shouldn't even be an option or mandatory merely because it never existed on live. getting rid of variance + FTE = no such thing as poopsock. Poopsock can't exist with FTE. The two shall never meet. What you will have is clusterfucks, but you can get around those.

Hasbin, are you back with IB? or DA? or is it IB again?

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's not about hard, forget hard. we created hard. it shouldn't even be an option or mandatory merely because it never existed on live. getting rid of variance + FTE = no such thing as poopsock. Poopsock can't exist with FTE. The two shall never meet. What you will have is clusterfucks, but you can get around those.
Hasbin, are you back with IB? or DA? or is it IB again?

We're all still waiting on you to tell us how.

[Versus]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

getting rid of variance + FTE = no such thing as poopsock. Poopsock can't exist with FTE. The two shall never meet. What you will have is clusterfucks, but you can get around those. ?

It will still exist. Trak spawns in 3 hours...Camp your mains @ Lair fully buffed and play an alt until 2 mins before hand (3-5 guilds will do this). This is still poopsocking, except you're spending your time on an alt in the meantime. First one to log in 15-20 and shoot a bow @ Trak while Idol DA'd while the remainder of his raid logs in and joins the fight wins.

Fucking dumb.

Either:
1. Make it a random-timed full spawn so guilds have to prioritize targets. (And thus smaller guilds can get some too)
-or-
2. Leave it the way it is and the guilds who are more dedicated to tracking will get the payoff. There are many things about this server that are un-classic. Deal with it.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're all still waiting on you to tell us how.

go back one page and read. That's building on the dude's /shout idea. Poopsock, camp, sit on the spawn if you want, if you dont aggro first it's not yours. Throw in a window (comparatively small compared to the one we have now) and only the guild who's fully prepared and engages first when the mob spawns would be able to take it. the /shout actually would serve the dual purpose of clarity as well, as there should be no questions as to who gets first claim. If you want to wake up at 3am or wait the 2-3 hours (or whatever it is) you'll get more spawns. Not classic, but at least way more classic than what we have now.

There's more ways to kinder to the FTE style without having all of that, but there's also others that don't demand FTE and still require guilds to be present, active and skillful.

Hasbin, this may seem like a tough pill for you to swallow (though, considering how much swallowing you do on a daily basis, perhaps it's not: guilt, shame, your own words and other biological entities to name a few), most of the people i've spoken to in div regarding this have disagreed with me. Yea... skope is actually being impartial. Holy fuckballs, right? also, let's be honest, i don't think either of us have seen you post anything worth a damn in ages. RnF is that way ~~~>>>

[Shiftin]

If most people in your own guild, and the other raiding guilds, all disagree with you... at some point you have to consider the possibility that you're not making sense.