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[Lojik]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sweden, Norway, Denmark etc..

Indoctrination.

Yeah, because comparing social welfare programs from countries that are 1/60 the size of the US, are more homogeneous, and have only recently become relatively rich countries due to natural resources are good barometers on which to measure the US. Don't these countries rate ahead of the US on a lot of "Which countries are more free market" surveys as well? Also, at least in Norway until recently immigration was very difficult.

Also, please objectively elaborate as to why other people are indoctrinated and you are educated (not indocrinated.)

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's what we should call what Trump is trying to pull off:

Military-Industrial Socialism

Because this hasn't already existed for the past 70 years? Please tell me a presidential candidate [that made it past the primaries] from the two political parties that has campaigned on a smaller military?

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No it didn't. It was a mixed market with plenty of free enterprise. The NSDAP targeted institutions it felt were "parasitic", which ran the gamut from labor unions to financial lending institutions. While the Nazis nationalized or tampered with many industries related to the war, so did the United States. There was still plenty of capitalist activity.

Are the distinctions between socialist/fascist even relevant? I mean, there isn't really any objective criterion you can place to label one government more free market than the next, I guess you can conduct some surveys? Nazi Germany targeted industries that were parasitic, or that didn't earn their income through toil and sweat, or didn't allow jewish industries to thrive. These industries just happen to be the same target of Bernie Sanders type rhetoric today, just without the anti-semitism (I think?)

Nazi Germany even implemented a lot of social programs to benefit true germans or master race or whatever you want to call it...it's just like welfare programs in the US except not decided by income level only race. Does that mean it's not socialist? Most of the arguments I see that discuss fascist/socialist just get bogged down in semantics. Not only that, so many politicians or governments claim they want to enact legislation for the good of [said group] and yet the legislation is drafted with the aid of [other said group] and actually benefits [other said group.]

1) Almost impossible to differentiate between socialist/fascist
2) If it is possible, hard to objectively measure difference
3) Even if a government describes itself as one way, it may actually behave the opposite way

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Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, judging by your butthurt and personalized response, you think generational culture is a significant force too.

You need to get over yourself, nothing about the millennials is significant, future generations will laugh at and mock them, for the few moments that they are even remembered.

[Pokesan]

Knowledge is possible, vacuous tl;drs are just easier

hth

[Patriam1066]

I'd like to thank the tax payers in this thread. I filed a claim with FEMA today

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Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd like to thank the tax payers in this thread. I filed a claim with FEMA today

socialism!

[Swish]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its a fraud they did a launch from China.

there is no evidence to support a NK launch outside of what intelligence services have said.

China #1

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

China #1

China wants a reason to take NK over by smooth transition but Kim Dong won't play ball. China can benefit by speeding things along.

The U.S. wants reunification with SK and capitalism installed.

A behind-the-scenes clash of wills that will go on for the next several decades, as both governments fight over what to do with the failed NK state.

Both agree its a failed state and action must be taken. Both want a different result to further their own economic interests or "national security interests" which are one and the same in America.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No it didn't. It was a mixed market with plenty of free enterprise. The NSDAP targeted institutions it felt were "parasitic", which ran the gamut from labor unions to financial lending institutions. While the Nazis nationalized or tampered with many industries related to the war, so did the United States. There was still plenty of capitalist activity.

*daps hammer*

[mickmoranis]

Its going to be hilarious when us/china with the help of japan/sk and russia do to NK what bush thought he'd do with iraq and the sheer magnitude of trumps win results in a sold 2020 victory for our dear leader.