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[Irulan]

When's the last time some upstart kid disappearing didn't make the news? Because it should have just been dealt with and family should have dug it's own graves?

People die for the dumbest reasons now a-days and then we spend a million fucking bucks and have to listen to ambulances and police all fucking day long. And then it makes the news as if we should fucking care, and if we don't, we're somehow bad.... Because we some how as individuals can't take care of our own in our society without involving total strangers.

God for bid, someone actually died before the age of 12 for being an asshat.

To me, we aren't really doing much to decrease suffering of anyone, we are just sharing it, nationally with each-other. Imagine if Dylann Roof died at 5 instead of living as long as he has? Just fucking imagine the years worth of suffering that could have been quickly and quietly dealt with if people just weren't gutless pathetic cowards and worms.

Why is the government monitoring everything, so if a kid disappears it is more of a concern to "the government" and all of us than it is to the people who should be disappearing them?

Part of that problem is like all the instant tracking of whats happening to everyone everywhere. There's no room for self correction without the system being red alerted over something it shouldn't care about to begin with.

There's a file a mile deep on everyone, and if someone doesn't show up to work, the police get called, instead of hiring someone else.

[Wonkie]

oliver north to lead nra

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Privatization: Remove good paying jobs and so that money can be rightly funneled to the 1%.

Step 1) Slightly underbid the current bureaucracy that runs schools/prisons/janitor service.

Step 2) Hire cheap workers, skimp on regulations, and funnel the profit to the shareholders.

Step 3) Have your paid cronies in the governors office and state congress continue to rant and rave about the (largely) fake savings.

Step 4) Come up with reasons why you need a bigger buget every following year just like a bureaucracy.

Step 5) Hire a team of lawyers to defend yourself against the worker and human rights abuses that enviably pile up.

Step 6) Profit and Spread

Step 7) Rename yourself to ditch the horrible reputation that you keep re--attaining every couple of years.

Private companies are indeed bad. The government is just a large enterprise that has all the bad aspects of a corporation + aircraft carriers. I get that you think we're more able to hold our government acccountable but I hate to break it to you, we're an empire. We have bases in over 100 countries (last time I checked) and our navy is the second largest Air Force on earth. Our marine corps is the 4th or 5th largest Air Force. My point is, we hold exactly no one to account. We just witnessed two (and ongoing) absolutely brutal and pointless middle eastern conflicts and were probably moving towards escalation in Syria and Yemen, and who knows, possibly all out war against Iran. Why do you put so much faith on our government? We can't trust bezos, TRUMP, obama, Bill, Bush, musk, or McConnell. We can only put our trust in jesus

God bleSS

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We actually spend a lot more than a billion on Israel once you add up all the military hardware and actions on their behalf. It's more like 30 billion not including the cost of terrorism...which is hard to measure. I'm guessing a big portion of our military actions are done for Israel. Although much of it is oil and banking too.

Is it done for Israel or do we see Israel as an imperial outpost in the Middle East whose existence serves to cow the oil rich Arabs into submission? I don't know the answer, I just like pointing out that Iran ain't scurred n*gga

[Irulan]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it done for Israel or do we see Israel as an imperial outpost in the Middle East whose existence serves to cow the oil rich Arabs into submission? I don't know the answer, I just like pointing out that Iran ain't scurred n*gga

Mossad had Richard Nixon's balls in a glass jar.

God Bless!

[Irulan]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oliver north to lead nra

OPSECretary.

LOL

Listen, Wonkie, this is for you, I'm not really upset about Iran contra, I've seen some pretty good justifications for it.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Private companies are indeed bad. The government is just a large enterprise that has all the bad aspects of a corporation + aircraft carriers. I get that you think we're more able to hold our government acccountable but I hate to break it to you, we're an empire. We have bases in over 100 countries (last time I checked) and our navy is the second largest Air Force on earth. Our marine corps is the 4th or 5th largest Air Force. My point is, we hold exactly no one to account. We just witnessed two (and ongoing) absolutely brutal and pointless middle eastern conflicts and were probably moving towards escalation in Syria and Yemen, and who knows, possibly all out war against Iran. Why do you put so much faith on our government? We can't trust bezos, TRUMP, obama, Bill, Bush, musk, or McConnell. We can only put our trust in jesus

God bleSS

I don't put faith in the government as it currently. I put faith people to understand their self interest in the long run. Things get better. But they never seem to get that way by listening to old well-off conservatives that we should continue things as usual.

Charlie Chaplin said it best

We never used to talk about how America starts wars all around the world. That we are empire. That neoliberalism is a failure. That "socialism" -- meaning democratic socialism -- is a viable alternative. This is all new.

We are in an adjustment period in some sense. We haven't changed as much as we would like to think from the medieval times where our leaders didn't understand economics yet controlled everyone lives as if they did. With their myths about "things just have to work this way -- the treasury needs gold! -- and all the mercantile ineffective policies we followed for many years.

Classical Liberal Capitalism is just another stepping stone. It is not "the end of history."
Zuckerberg's favorite book is: the End of Power. And I don't think he is just cynically recommending it to cover-up his immense power. I think our leaders have been getting nervous for a long time about the newer generations. They got the Hippies under control with T.V. and really good paying jobs for what they were -- But they couldn't keep the payments to the populice up while continuing obscene profit.

What happened to Greece? Remember how hopeless and stupid all those lefty people were for thinking they can get "free stuff"? Well turns out they can. They just get it from the rich. And then the west calls them terrorists to cover up their shame ideology about how necessary "austerity" (stealing from the poor) is.

Economies work better with less rich people in them. With the bar rises and millions of ordinary people are buying things everyday. You know we actually have about the same portion of world wealth we did in the times of the post war economy? We just have that wealth concentrated in Multi-National Corporations based in America...in other words -- its not a fairly tale or a poney that there is enough money in the economy get a regular job and support a family. That was ideology sold to people as these 54 corporations sucked all the resources out of the working class. In fact -- it should be easy as ever with the concept of general plenty in full swing.

Poverty -- in this country -- is manufactured.

[Irulan]

Originally Posted by holesum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd love refs here

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472062/

good o'le murican holesum entertainment

definitely a top 10 movie.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by Irulan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472062/

good o'le murican holesum entertainment

definitely a top 10 movie.

there's lots of ways to justify death squads

none are valid

show tits or get out

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More liek a Correctional Restittuion Cooperative. Inmates would be paid, so they would have a vested interest in the financial performance of their state-operated interment center. Those serving life sentences would still work, their earnings would just be used to offset the increasing cost of their care as they age. I don't see the issue with forced labor (slavery) for criminals though, if the state can deny criminals their life (capital punishment) and liberty (imprisonment, restricted rights upon release) while denying ordinary people the right to decline (taxation, draft, service), why can't we additionally deny criminals the right to decline to participate in funding their imprisonment?

Company houses were outlawed too, I think. The practice thereof anyway. Nuancing a label doesn't change the thing.