Progressive leadership in a nutshell

[cd288]

Yeah but they said they’d replace it with community policing! But then these people are like oh wait you mean community policing means that I have to go out and try and stop that aggressive angry criminal myself? Yeah no thanks!

[Gustoo]

Tons of cop calls are just to deal with a crazy guy on the street with a drug problem and mental health problems.

Instead of sending a person who's main objective is to come out alive, where every interaction makes someone more of a criminal, you could send someone who's only objective is to help people with mental health problems.

Cops don't want to be mental health professionals. They aren't, and they don't want to be.

So send someone else. Right now we don't have anyone else to send when there is a guy on street corner muttering obscenities at people and kinda falling into the road. So that guy might talk to a cop and do something stupid and get shot.

Now if our intension is to just kill these guys, why don't we put forward a law to kill everyone with mental health issues?

If that isn't our intension, lets add some options for ways to deal with these people.

The prison system is the same kind of joke. Why even send people there if they only come out with a formal education in being a criminal, forced to choice between the racist gang that they are most suited for by virtue of their physical appearance. If we wan't people to have their lives ruined, lets make a more efficient process like a firing squad.

If we want to repair our damaged citizens lets do something that actually has a chance at that.

Anyways play red.

[Cassawary]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah but they said they’d replace it with community policing! But then these people are like oh wait you mean community policing means that I have to go out and try and stop that aggressive angry criminal myself? Yeah no thanks!

‘Don’t Say Socialism Ever Again’: Democrats In Congress Push Back Against Lefty Messaging After Disappointing Election

Moderate Democrats expressed frustration and, at times, fury on a House caucus call Thursday that several reporters listened in on, arguing the party should immediately break with progressive messaging—like “defund the police”—after disappointing House and Senate results.

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cops don't want to be mental health professionals. They aren't, and they don't want to be.

So send someone else.

Don't care what cops want to be, they don't get to write their job descriptions, if they don't like it they can work a security job at the warehouse or the nightclub. I don't blame cops for shooting crazy people, I blame management. Management teaches cops if they see someone muttering obscenities and kinda falling down on the road to engage them like it's a law enforcement matter.

The solution to cops shooting mentally ill people is not to send a mental health person alongside or instead of so the badly trained aggressive police don't get out of hand. The solution is to retrain the police.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tons of cop calls are just to deal with a crazy guy on the street with a drug problem and mental health problems.

Instead of sending a person who's main objective is to come out alive, where every interaction makes someone more of a criminal, you could send someone who's only objective is to help people with mental health problems.

Cops don't want to be mental health professionals. They aren't, and they don't want to be.

So send someone else. Right now we don't have anyone else to send when there is a guy on street corner muttering obscenities at people and kinda falling into the road. So that guy might talk to a cop and do something stupid and get shot.

Now if our intension is to just kill these guys, why don't we put forward a law to kill everyone with mental health issues?

If that isn't our intension, lets add some options for ways to deal with these people.

The prison system is the same kind of joke. Why even send people there if they only come out with a formal education in being a criminal, forced to choice between the racist gang that they are most suited for by virtue of their physical appearance. If we wan't people to have their lives ruined, lets make a more efficient process like a firing squad.

If we want to repair our damaged citizens lets do something that actually has a chance at that.

Anyways play red.

You would love the DA of San Francisco, Chesa Boudin. He is an advocate of restorative justice, wherein criminals forego prison sentences in favor of programs that are meant to restore them as useful members of society. Very noble in theory.

Unfortunately, the reality over the past couple of years has been that crime has skyrocketed, in large part because the disincentive of going to prison has been removed. Criminals have been caught and released for serious crimes over and over again with little to no repurcussion.

See an example here, and a more egregious example here. In that second story, a man with a string of previous felonies had been released to the public. He then went on to carjack the minivan of a man who was delivering for Doordash and happened to have his two small children in the backseats. So after a carjacking and double kidnapping that triggered an Amber Alert, what happened to this man after he was caught? He was again quickly released.

These are not cherry-picked or isolated issues, they are examples of a very long string of similar stories that has led to massive recall efforts across the city to remove the DA. Imagine that - in the most liberal city in America, nearly unanimous support to recall a progressive leader.

This is the problem with armchair liberals saying "well if we just did this, society would be fixed." Your thoughts are not original, your ideas are half-baked, and policies like this will inevatibly fail in the real world because people and society are complex. Mankind has had thousands of years to figure out that there has to be some disincentive to doing crime. In what world does your handful of years and experience qualify you to challenge that?

[Toxigen]

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[Cassawary]

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without a badge, you're just a vigilante. i saw it in adocumentary

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[Horza]

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Surely turning a brainwashed murderer into the hero of the right will help you retake the House and Senate.

[Jibartik]

Rioters bring rocks to riot BAD

Rioters bring ar15s to riot GOOD

[starkind]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You would love the DA of San Francisco, Chesa Boudin. He is an advocate of restorative justice, wherein criminals forego prison sentences in favor of programs that are meant to restore them as useful members of society. Very noble in theory.

Unfortunately, the reality over the past couple of years has been that crime has skyrocketed, in large part because the disincentive of going to prison has been removed. Criminals have been caught and released for serious crimes over and over again with little to no repurcussion.

See an example here, and a more egregious example here. In that second story, a man with a string of previous felonies had been released to the public. He then went on to carjack the minivan of a man who was delivering for Doordash and happened to have his two small children in the backseats. So after a carjacking and double kidnapping that triggered an Amber Alert, what happened to this man after he was caught? He was again quickly released.

These are not cherry-picked or isolated issues, they are examples of a very long string of similar stories that has led to massive recall efforts across the city to remove the DA. Imagine that - in the most liberal city in America, nearly unanimous support to recall a progressive leader.

This is the problem with armchair liberals saying "well if we just did this, society would be fixed." Your thoughts are not original, your ideas are half-baked, and policies like this will inevatibly fail in the real world because people and society are complex. Mankind has had thousands of years to figure out that there has to be some disincentive to doing crime. In what world does your handful of years and experience qualify you to challenge that?

Both can be true and both options implemented. They should be implemented by a board of individuals called a jury. And the sentance should be variable based on circumstances.

There is no good reason to violently rob anyone. If someone is willing to commit violence. It is time to join a militia and serve your community as a soldier, builder, or martyr. Not as an outlaw. Death sucks. We can put people in safe places were they can't do themselves or other people harm when they cannot make these determinations. This is why Starkinds do not 'hate' people who are fed up with the system. Starkind simply accepts that some people are broken, dangerous, or too hurt or disabled to do the right thing and need supervision and less (a lot less usually) freedom. This should be America's #1 priority. Those people shouldn't have such easy access to guns either. Not because Starkind hates these people and wants them to be powerless, but because starkind is tired of seeing people kill each other over junk food and convienience. Out of a lack of courtesy, respect, and desperation. Starkind believes this country needs a lot more than just heavy handed and loosely enforced policing.