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[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Domo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I read a bit about the Nazi Rally in charlottesville, and here is my PoV;

- America got a population of about 300mio.+
- about 300 of them are Nazis who went to Charlottesville
- 1 of them was a totaly sick motherfucker and killed 1 women with a car
- Trump reacted like an asshole he always been.
- Some left-wing medias reacted like its been the Kristallnacht in germany
- etc. etc.

Dont get me wrong, I know that the USA have more Nazis, and I also know that Nazis are bad (maybe because I am german...), but the way the american media reacted to this story is laughable.
The body of this poor women wasnt even cold, and the media focused already on Trump & his bullshit.
Sure, Trump reacted like an asshole and should be called out for it, but the medias reaction to this was like the "happy" right-wing when somewhere some muslims blow shit up, and use it then as a reason to be loud.

Long story short: the media seems not to care about the women who got killed or the nazis, they care more about Trump & his bullshit.

(Sorry about my english, hope you know what I mean.)

Gotta factor that media in the USA has no obligation to be journalistic (danke SCOTUS) since it is up to the consumer of the information to discern its relevance and factual nature. Knowing this, media outlets (most of them) have taken to strict business models for the as revenues. Exacerbating stories is good for revenue as CNN found out in the early 90's and the major outlets have followed suit since. Your observation is the NEWS reality we have to live with in the USA.


Xaanka, what whisky do you sip on when postrationalizing bullshit? Gotta hope you have decent tastes in some facet of your life.

[Domo]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I could say anything is perhaps wrong about your perspective,

Of course

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would say you underestimate the violence from both sides. The Nazis at Charlottlesville had a legitimate permit to assemble and protest peacefully in the park. Technically they had a right to gather and stand there more than the ANTIFA or counter-protestors did.

Thats one of the main reasons why I dislike the german/europen ANTIFA.
They are cheerypickers and dont want to be treated like they treat others.

And I can fully understand mick moranis comment;

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will defend an Americans right to wave a nazi flag, to the bitter end, because I am an american.

Since about 3 years we got a new right-wing party here called AfD (Alternative für Deutschland). Their main (and kinda only) topic are the refugees. They are populist and pretty dumb for the most of the time. I dislike them, but I do accept them.
But there are some hardcore leftys/ANTIFA who wants to ban this party.
And as much I dislike the AfD, as long they dont do anythink illegal, I would be one of the first on the street and protest if the goverment would really consider to ban them.

There is no "democracy-light" version for me.

(again, sorry about my english)

P.s.

@ Ahldagor

I dont know all american TV Channels / news stations etc., but some of those news station which I saw seems to be more like a "show" then a news channel.
But thats just a very "rough"(?) assessment from me, since my opinion is based only on some Youtube videos.

[Pokesan]

you guys talk big but america would starve without our agriculture slaves

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Domo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont know all american TV Channels / news stations etc., but some of those news station which I saw seems to be more like a "show" then a news channel.
But thats just a very "rough"(?) assessment from me, since my opinion is based only on some Youtube videos.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that News channels do not need to contain real news awhile back. It was a lawsuit on whether a news channel can advertise itself as a news channel and not contain any news or something along those lines. So channels are allowed to advertise themselves as "news channels" when they may be more interested in entertainment or opinion or outright propaganda. The ruling basically said news is allowed to be entertainment and refused to define what "News" is, or that there should be any creation of an institution of "News".

There is an FCC initiative right now as of Barrack 0bama's final year in office to change the way the FCC (Federal Communications Commission) regulates news channels. I forget the specifics, but its very vague language in this proposal so not many understand it.

Fox News has came out against it saying it would be abused to regulate opposing viewpoints and they are against any FCC involvement in news, even just the creation of categories for what qualifies as a "news channel" fox is 100% against.

Interestingly, the liberals did not complain about the proposal and did not cover the FCC's initiative when it was announced.

As of now the proposal status is just wait-and-see.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

how dare these low-income nobodies besmirch the good name of fascism

1st good post in like 10 pages

Bravo

[Nilstoniakrath]

Originally Posted by Domo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course



Thats one of the main reasons why I dislike the german/europen ANTIFA.
They are cheerypickers and dont want to be treated like they treat others.

And I can fully understand mick moranis comment;



Since about 3 years we got a new right-wing party here called AfD (Alternative für Deutschland). Their main (and kinda only) topic are the refugees. They are populist and pretty dumb for the most of the time. I dislike them, but I do accept them.
But there are some hardcore leftys/ANTIFA who wants to ban this party.
And as much I dislike the AfD, as long they dont do anythink illegal, I would be one of the first on the street and protest if the goverment would really consider to ban them.

There is no "democracy-light" version for me.

(again, sorry about my english)

P.s.

@ Ahldagor

I dont know all american TV Channels / news stations etc., but some of those news station which I saw seems to be more like a "show" then a news channel.
But thats just a very "rough"(?) assessment from me, since my opinion is based only on some Youtube videos.

Free speech means nothing if you don't allow speech that you don't like or find offensive. The answer is more free speech, to counter the bullsh!t, not censorship. If your ideas are all that, they will win out in an open discussion and debate. It is only those who know their ideas suck, that want to shut down debate and are afraid of hearing opposing ideas. Progressives are the modern day book burners, they can go F themselves for all I care.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Nilstoniakrath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Free speech means nothing if you don't allow speech that you don't like or find offensive. The answer is more free speech, to counter the bullsh!t, not censorship. If your ideas are all that, they will win out in an open discussion and debate. It is only those who know their ideas suck, that want to shut down debate and are afraid of hearing opposing ideas. Progressives are the modern day book burners, they can go F themselves for all I care.

Yes, and the world said no to Nazis a long time ago. The question is the legitimacy of Nazi ideology. The differences in the fascistic reality of self proclaimed national socialists is the operating hypocrisy. Mussolini wasn't executed by being shot and hanged upside down (Catholic nation) for no reason. Capitalists always win because we capitalize. What else is there to do in a post-nihilistic culture? It's hilarious how many of us are seriously lagging and can't enact their chosen roles. It's the same as a lagging cleric on a three raider spawn in Highkeep for an under leveled group.

[mickmoranis]

wow I'm impressed with a lot of posters in the last 2 pages, I'm glad many of you are finally coming around. Azz for a momenty I thought you were coopted by antifa propaganda or at the very least were afraid to speak your true feelings out of fear of being hunted down and killed by them for not following their narrative.

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea, the guys dressing up in KKK, Confederate, and Nazi paraphernalia are totally intellectuals with compelling arguments and are in no way obfuscating any valid point they think they have by co-opting ridiculously ignorant, trashy imagery.

"New White Nationalism" is just white trash using the internet to find an echo chamber. Grow up

this response to things like "hey but what about fbi crime statistics" is why your ideaology is both dying and giving rise to extreme racial nationalism! xD

at the end of the day your arguments are weak as fuck and it's exposing a lot of hypocrisy to the normies:

one group, with legal permission, showed up at a place to say offensive things publicly, even going as far to spend a week in person working with local police to work on strategies to minimize violence

another group illegally showed up with weapons including improvised chemical weapons to riot and attack people exercising their right to free speech and their right to protest

among casualties were 1 of their own counter-protestors dead as a direct result of their brilliant idea of attacking a piloted vehicle with weapons, and one of the speakers was blinded in an acid attack. 2 police officers were killed in duty while responding to the counter-protest. in total 3 were killed and 1 severely injured as a direct result of their illegal and violent presence. a pretty strong line has been crossed, especially given their violent rhetoric "punch a nazi etc" where it goes beyond free speech and becomes more like yelling fire in a crowded public area.

there's really no taking the moral high road for those trying to counter-signal the WN's. it doesn't matter what mean things the big bad white nationalists wanted to say, that doesn't justify actions from the radical left nor these peoples actions being condoned and supported by major democrat politicians.

[Pokesan]

quick examples of banned political parties:

Hamas
The Muslim Brotherhood

makes u think