Class Warnings for New Players

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Roll an SK on Quarm and experience 2 hours of bliss on 5% of quakes.

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Yes twice a year you can pvp for 2 hours hehe.

Not saying it won't be fun. Bad != enjoyable for short periods

[Lampolo]

Originally Posted by 7thGate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have specifically wanted every class to do something specific for their class in a raiding situation, except Shadow Knights. I haven't been able to figure out how to use them for anything unique; they have a lot of reasonably useful niches, but get eclipsed by monks/warriors/necros/paladins depending on what the niche is.

I like this take. What can other classes do for me is the correct way to gauge classes in a game where dependence on others is so critical.

I feel like the classes I listed fall short in what they offer when compared to other classes for the things I am interested in doing. I would never reject a necro as a dps in an xp group but I would rather have another class. If a necro was healing for the group. I would be spamming clerics desperately. If i had an sk or pally tanking I would be happy to see them rep'd by a warrior. The listed classes do not fit in any of my ideal compositions because they are not the best at any one thing that equates to more xp/pp for me.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

where clerics shine is efficiency and they got that beat all the way to 60 ahead of everyone else with the right spells and buffs

There have been groups where, with everything rooted/slowed, the cleric managed to keep everyone at or near full health just with Mark of Karn, clicky pants, and blackstar procs. And that was with a constant flow of incoming mobs. They are spoiled for choice when it comes to heals, sky neck and trak bp included, not to mention stuns.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Lampolo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like this take. What can other classes do for me is the correct way to gauge classes in a game where dependence on others is so critical.

I feel like the classes I listed fall short in what they offer when compared to other classes for the things I am interested in doing. I would never reject a necro as a dps in an xp group but I would rather have another class. If a necro was healing for the group. I would be spamming clerics desperately. If i had an sk or pally tanking I would be happy to see them rep'd by a warrior. The listed classes do not fit in any of my ideal compositions because they are not the best at any one thing that equates to more xp/pp for me.

Ok, so PVE is the crux of the thread? Yet you say...

Warriors are better than sk's and pallies for group tanking.
Nothing about how horrible wizards are in almost every group situation.
Druid's are better than rangers in groups.

Remind me again what we are warning the new players against.

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by 7thGate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shadow knights, maybe. They do have the ability to do important things; they can FD tag, and tank trash or kunark dragons with snap aggro, or pet fd duel a rogue for pulls. But everything I have wanted them to do was better done by a paladin, warrior, necro or monk, so I think this might be the only class I haven't explicitly asked for someone to log onto, just used for roles where a specialist wasn't available.

You definitely don't need an SK for anything, but I will say there are 2 zones I prefer being on my SK to my Monk—Plane of Fear and ST. In PoF not needing to burn through wand charges is great, as there is often a lot of tagging (e.g. pets). Your tags being much stronger than wands is super nice as well. As a bonus you can tank everything in the zone if necessary. For CT, Monk is slightly more convenient for creeping up with sneak, but not necessary. For ST now that nothing sees invis, CoS is handy (though you can use just rings) and primal + arrow can edge out a wand if timed properly. Disc isn't super useful here, but always useful if you eff it up.

If you have the expendables to dump, monk is generally just better, but it can be a lot manage, esp for aggro clickies. All in all, SK is a nice tagger when you want to avoid recharge quest.

[Deathrydar]

So much elite-ism in this thread...I just play the game..

[Penish]

elite-ism, what a woke joke ^

[Deathrydar]

Originally Posted by Penish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

elite-ism, what a woke joke ^

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[Snaggles]

Like most threads on the forum it’s a bit of trolling and a bit of ignorance.

Hybrids are better than ever now thanks to half a dozen patches trying to close the gap. Knights do solid damage. Basing a PVE group composition based on who tanks or parses high on AoW is stupid.

Overall the game is easy. The person behind the toon is what matters. Sure it’s fun to watch the legends on p99 vids but really the Bell Curve of competency is what matters, assuming you have the basic roles filled. That and every second you aren’t killing stuff is a wasted one so don’t get precious with your group picks. It’s not like 30 people are LFG in seb and you wield the power of scrutinizing based on Magelo’s.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Overall the game is easy. The person behind the toon is what matters.

This.