Game Mechanics: Bard Pbaoe Mez - Kelin’s Lucid Lullaby

Wallicker · #1 06-17-2020, 08:15 PM

Lvl 15 bard song Kelin’s Lucid Lullaby is currently following no level restrictions whatsoever from what I can see, I have been able to mez Multiple LDC, Imps, mobs in hate, fire giants, even a level 50 mob, haven’t tested on vox or naggy yet but I have my suspicions. Anyways this shouldn’t be working on mobs this high in level.

Dolalin · #2 08-18-2020, 03:47 PM

Lullaby changed over time, it was the subject of many nerfs. I was searching the Yahoo mailing list scrapes I did last year before they shut it down, and eqbards has a very sexy post with some tests for resists for this spell in its 'broken' state, but also comments from GZ (Geoff Zatkin) about how it should be working (and also comparing it to enchanter mez).

Quote:

Message ID: 14747
Date: Thu Feb 10 18:12:56 GMT 2000
Author: kim@stormhaven.org
Subject: Final Lullaby test - it's broken alright

Following is the text of a message I've posted to:
http://boards.station.sony.com/everq...ML/020098.html
Please bump it so we can be sure Verant sees it and gets it
fixed.

Lullaby (bard L16 song) is not working as GZ stated it should
during his Lullaby test. The relevant portions of that test
are quoted below:

[Wed Jan 12 01:24:14 2000] Geoff says, 'K - sounds like a display message error then'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:32 2000] Sbasii says, 'how often should the resist be?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:35 2000] Geoff says, 'yea - it should save about 25% of the time at that level difference'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:39 2000] Geoff says, '35% on a white'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:44 2000] Geoff says, 'less for high chr'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:55 2000] Nindars says, 'so how does that compare to enchanter mez?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:55 2000] Harli says, 'GZ:So CHR should reduce the 25/35?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:58 2000] Geoff says, 'yep'
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:04 2000] Geoff says, 'about the same as mes'

The above percentages refer to a second resist chance mobs
have against Lullaby. Mobs have two chances to resist
Lullaby:

A success on the first chance to save has always generated a
resist message in red ("Your target resisted the Kelin's Lucid
Lullaby spell"). I denote this as 'R'.

A failure on the first chance to save generates a "<target>'s
head nods" message, and a second save check. Please move this
message to after a failure on the second save check to cut
down on spam.

A success on the second chance to save was not being sent to
our clients. This was fixed in a recent patch, and now
produces the message, "Your target has resisted your attempt
to mesmerize it" in blue. (Please make this message red. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] )
I denote this as 'r'. Based on GZ's statements above, mobs
that are the same level as the bard should be succeeding at
this second save 35% of the time, less for higher charisma.
For large level spreads (level 1 vs. level 35 in the above
quoted test), the success rate should be 25%, less for higher
charisma.

If the mob fails both first and second chances to resist, the
song succeeds and the mob is mesmerized for about 6 seconds.
I denote this as 'N'.

I ran some tests and culled the results out of my logfiles
(which I can email to anyone at Verant). My bard was level 45
during these tests, her charisma was 154, and she had a lute
equipped all times except for one test.

The first test was when my group derailed a train at the
Mistmoore zone. All the mobs were low blue to green - L20-L35
for the most part. I only got experience for 4 of the mobs:

18N (43%) | 22r (52%) | 2R (5%) | 42 total dark ritualist pets (3)
13N (45%) | 14r (48%) | 2R (7%) | 29 total dark ritualist (3)
13N (54%) | 11r (46%) | 0R (0%) | 24 total dark offerer pet
7N (47%) | 8r (53%) | 0R (0%) | 15 total dark offerer
7N (27%) | 18r (69%) | 1R (4%) | 26 total shadowy scribe
3N (33%) | 6r (67%) | 0R (0%) | 9 total flouting gargoyle
1N (33%) | 1r (33%) | 1R (33%) | 3 total leering gargoyle
19N (42%) | 23r (51%) | 3R (7%) | 45 total glyped sentries (3)
------------------------------------------------------------
81N (42%) | 103r (53%)| 9R (5%) | 193 total

The second battery of tests were against level ~4 snakes in
Butcherblock:

242N (58.3%) | 163r (39.3%) | 10R (2.4%) | 415 total [154 charisma]
428N (61.1%) | 245r (35.0%) | 27R (3.9%) | 700 total [154 charisma]
291N (63.3%) | 156r (33.9%) | 13R (2.8%) | 460 total [80 charisma]
418N (64.5%) | 212r (32.7%) | 18R (2.8%) | 648 total [110 charisma]
452N (65.7%) | 215r (31.1%) | 21R (3.1%) | 688 total [154 charisma]

Seeing the sample still had a variability of a few percent, I
ran a third set of tests:

2105N (63.3%) | 1145r (34.4%) | 77R (2.3%) | 3327 total [154 charisma]
2325N (63.9%) | 1211r (33.3%) | 101R (2.8%) | 3637 total [110 charisma]
2081N (63.5%) | 1089r (33.3%) | 105R (3.2%) | 3275 total [110 charisma, no lute]

Total for all the snake tests:

8342N (63.4%) | 4436r (33.7%) | 372R (2.8%) | 13150 total

I ran some more tests on other low level mobs just to make
sure there was nothing "special" about the Butcherblock
snakes:

421N (63.8%) | 222r (33.6%) | 17R (2.6%) | 660 total - Deathfish Pawns
323N (64.6%) | 164r (32.8%) | 13R (2.6%) | 500 total - large rats
425N (63.7%) | 223r (33.4%) | 19R (2.8%) | 667 total - bats
512N (62.7%) | 280r (34.3%) | 24R (2.9%) | 816 total - stonesnakes

Points that need to be addressed:

- These level 1-4 mobs are succeeding at their secondary
resists (34.7% success rate after you factor out the primary
resists) at about the 35% rate GZ stated I should be getting
at 75 charisma against level 45 mobs. Please investigate and
fix it. It's possible the same bug is affecting Pixie Strike,
as a lot of bards started complaining about PS being broken
about the same time as they started complaining about Lullaby
not working.

- More substantial (high green to low blue) mobs seem to be
resisting at higher than 50%. I assume this is due to the
same bug as with level 1-4 mobs. With a 35% to 50%+ resist
rate against blue/green mobs, and apparently a 70% resist rate
against mid-blue mobs, you can see why bards have been
complaining so loudly about this song being broken.

- Why isn't my charisma having any statistically significant
effect?

- Why isn't the lute having any statistically significant
effect when Lullaby is listed as a string song?

- An apology. Bards have been complaining about this song
being broken for months. We were always brushed off with
"It's working as designed." Obviously it isn't.

Kaearia
Karana

--
John H. Kim
kim@...

https://github.com/dbsanfte/eq-archi...rds/14242.json
https://github.com/dbsanfte/eq-archi...tml/14242.html

Dolalin · #3 08-18-2020, 05:00 PM

Here are the Kelin's Lucid Lullaby tests performed that Geoff is referring to above (with the 25/35 comment):

Quote:

melldman
Station Member posted 01-11-2000 07:45 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for taking the time to do the test GZ. And for the interesting surrounding discussion. Surprised more people didn't turn up, but I guess it is work time on the West coast.
For those who missed it. The results as I understand them were.

1) A resist message is missing. This is misleading. It will be fixed.

2) Lull only lasts one tick. Many bards expect it to be three. Don't twist.

3) Minimum resist on any mob is about 25%. About 35% on whites, much higher on reds. Good charisma lowers the chance of resist.

Gallanite
Temporary test bard

http://web.archive.org/web/200102081...ngs/KLL_GZ.htm

Dolalin · #4 08-18-2020, 05:17 PM

Full log of the GZ lullaby test on the Test server (this is testing the 2ndary resist chance on Lullaby):

Code:

[Wed Jan 12 01:13:38 2000] Logging to 'eqlog.txt' is now *ON*.
[Wed Jan 12 01:13:46 2000] Geoff says, 'you will STILL see a head nod'
[Wed Jan 12 01:13:47 2000] Harli says, 'Well it does mean that you do know what you are talking about from a player's side also'
[Wed Jan 12 01:14:01 2000] Nindars says, 'I've NEVER seen a makes the save message'
[Wed Jan 12 01:14:07 2000] Lashun Novashine shouts 'Cease this endless conflict and seek salvation in the Temple of Life! The glory of Rodcet Nife awaits you!
[Wed Jan 12 01:14:12 2000] Harli says, 'I've never seen a message about making a save or not'
[Wed Jan 12 01:14:13 2000] Geoff says, 'what we are looking for is messages where it does not see a save msg BUT it still attacks'
[Wed Jan 12 01:14:17 2000] Harli says, 'Just see "A head nods" or not'
[Wed Jan 12 01:14:23 2000] Geoff says, 'hmmm'
[Wed Jan 12 01:14:28 2000] Geoff says, 'let me see something'
[Wed Jan 12 01:14:34 2000] Geoff says, 'brb'
[Wed Jan 12 01:14:43 2000] Nindars says, 'he bringing snake'
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:01 2000] Gallanite says, 'h'
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:03 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:05 2000] Geoff says, 'this is just a test'
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:06 2000] Hebus saved.
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:06 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:09 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but Geoff dodges!
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:11 2000] Geoff says, 'not the real one yet'
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:12 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:15 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:18 2000]
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:18 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:21 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:21 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:21 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:22 2000] Nindars says, 'wow, never see a dodge message <GRIN>'
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:24 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:27 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:27 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:27 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:29 2000] Geoff punches a snake for 9 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:32 2000] Geoff says, 'doah'
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:33 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:34 2000] Geoff says, 'get back here'
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:36 2000] Geoff's song ends.
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:36 2000] Geoff's song ends.
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:44 2000] Taolas says, 'lol'
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:45 2000] Geoff says, 'it should come right back'
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:46 2000] Nindars says, 'punch for 9???'
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:47 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:50 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:53 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:56 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:58 2000] Geoff says, 'all in the way you swing your arms'
[Wed Jan 12 01:15:59 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:01 2000]
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:02 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:04 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:04 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:05 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:08 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:10 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:10 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:16 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:16 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:22 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:22 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:26 2000] Taking a screenshot...
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:28 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:28 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:28 2000] Taking a screenshot...
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:33 2000] Leeria says, 'lol!'
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:34 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:34 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:36 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:39 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:40 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:40 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:41 2000] Geoff says, 'i am going to say when i see a resist msg - see me if you see it'
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:42 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:45 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:46 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:46 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:52 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:52 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:58 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:16:58 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:00 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:03 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:04 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:04 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:10 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:10 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:16 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:16 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:17 2000] Marvinx says, 'what is going on here ?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:18 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:21 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:22 2000] Geoff says, 'we are testing lully'
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:22 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:22 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:22 2000] Harli says, 'One thing I have to say is this song has a huge radius'
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:28 2000] Geoff says, 'it is a nice song'
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:28 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:28 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:30 2000] Geoff says, 'most of the time'
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:34 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:34 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:40 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:40 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:43 2000] Harli says, 'Well you are 'affecting' all of us in this circle'
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:46 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:46 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:49 2000] Alvys says, 'Geoff turned green.'
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:51 2000] Geoff says, 'pretty'
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:51 2000] Harli says, 'That's a great radius if it has a chance of working well'
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:52 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:52 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:54 2000] Fippy Darkpaw shouts 'BBBBBAAAARRRKKKK!!!!! You humans will pay for ruining our homeland!! GRRRRRRRR!!!! Family Darkpaw of the Sabretooth Clan will slay you all!! BARK!
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:54 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:56 2000] Geoff says, 'trying gm on part of it'
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:57 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:58 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:17:58 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:01 2000] Geoff says, 'i want to see the different msg'
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:04 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:06 2000] Geoff says, 'real test i will be a player'
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:06 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:09 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:10 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:10 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:11 2000] Geoff says, 'did you see the "resisted msg"'
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:13 2000] Alvys ohs.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:15 2000] Caisha says, 'is it ressiting?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:16 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:17 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:17 2000] Sbasii says, 'No, I didn't'
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:18 2000] Harli says, 'No'
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:18 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:20 2000] Nindars says, 'nope'
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:20 2000] Chrysalsia says, 'no'
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:21 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:22 2000] You say, 'nope'
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:22 2000] Taolas says, 'Nay'
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:22 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:22 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:23 2000] Harli says, 'No resisted message'
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:26 2000] Sbasii says, 'I say a nod, then bite'
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:27 2000] Geoff says, 'ok - lets see'
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:29 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:29 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:31 2000] Chrysalsia says, 'it says a snake nods'
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:35 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:35 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:41 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:41 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:43 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:44 2000] Nindars says, 'nod then bite'
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:45 2000] Chrysalsia says, 'then it tries to cast on me and i am protected'
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:46 2000] a snake bites Geoff for 2 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:47 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:47 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:49 2000] Geoff says, 'got it'
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:52 2000] Harli says, 'There was a tick where it didnt' say "Head nods" but no "resists"'
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:52 2000] Geoff punches a snake for 8 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:52 2000] a snake tries to bite Geoff, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:53 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:53 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:56 2000] Geoff punches a snake for 10 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:56 2000] a snake has been slain by Geoff!
[Wed Jan 12 01:18:59 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:05 2000] Caisha says, 'to bad i filtered combat'
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:05 2000] Geoff tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:06 2000] Geoff says, 'ok - who does not play on this server?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:08 2000] Geoff's song ends.
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:08 2000] Geoff's song ends.
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:11 2000] Harli says, 'I don't'
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:12 2000] Caisha says, 'i dont'
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:13 2000] Chrysalsia says, 'i dont'
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:14 2000] You say, 'i don t'
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:14 2000] Sbasii says, 'I don't'
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:16 2000] Aonin says, 'I play on Mithaniel Marr'
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:16 2000] Caisha says, 'test only'
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:18 2000] Taolas says, 'I do not'
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:19 2000] Gallanite says, 'I don't'
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:22 2000] Harli says, 'Bristlebane for me'
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:23 2000] Alvys says, 'Test player here.'
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:24 2000] Nindars says, 'I don't '
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:36 2000] Geoff says, 'hold on cash andhari - you said it frist - each pick a number between 1 and 10'
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:37 2000] Aonin says, 'Hello all :)'
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:41 2000] Geoff says, 'hi Aonin'
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:44 2000] Harli says, '7'
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:44 2000] A Magic Die is rolled by Caisha. It could have been any number from 1 to 10, but this time it turned up a 2.
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:52 2000] You say, ''
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:57 2000] A Magic Die is rolled by Harli. It could have been any number from 0 to 10, but this time it turned up a 10.
[Wed Jan 12 01:19:57 2000] Geoff says, 'your die did you good cai'
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:01 2000] You say, '5'
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:09 2000] Caisha says, 'coolies'
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:13 2000] Geoff says, 'you are going to test for us'
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:13 2000] Harli says, 'Oh you meant random a number? *laugh*'
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:16 2000] Harli says, 'Cool'
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:23 2000] Caisha says, 'no songs'
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:24 2000] Geoff says, 'let me get you the song sheet'
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:27 2000] Nindars says, 'DING DING DING DING'
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:28 2000] Lashun Novashine shouts 'Cease this endless conflict and seek salvation in the Temple of Life! The glory of Rodcet Nife awaits you!
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:29 2000] Nindars says, 'grin'
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:44 2000] Caisha regards you indifferently -- what would you like your tombstone to say?
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:49 2000] Alvys says, 'Congrats x 35'
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:50 2000] Players on EverQuest:
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:50 2000] ---------------------------
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:50 2000] [14 Bard] Tinman (Wood Elf) <Order of the Guardians>
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:50 2000] [1 Bard] Aonin (Human)
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:50 2000] [1 Bard] Sbasii (Human)
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:50 2000] [40 Bard] Geoff (Half Elf)
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:50 2000] [1 Bard] Chrysalsia (Half Elf)
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:50 2000] [1 Bard] Gallanite (Half Elf)
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:50 2000] [35 Bard] Caisha (Half Elf)
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:50 2000] [1 Bard] Harli (Human)
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:50 2000] [1 Bard] Nindars (Half Elf)
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:50 2000] [1 Bard] Taolas (Half Elf)
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:50 2000] [2 Bard] Hebus (Half Elf)
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:50 2000] There are 11 players in North Qeynos.
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:54 2000] Harli says, 'Congrats Caisha'
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:55 2000] Chrysalsia grins.
[Wed Jan 12 01:20:57 2000] You no longer have a target.
[Wed Jan 12 01:21:03 2000] Geoff says, 'just for purposes of these next few min - then back to lvl 1'
[Wed Jan 12 01:21:05 2000] Nindars says, 'so I think we all saw quite a few times where it said nod then attack geoff'
[Wed Jan 12 01:21:11 2000] Harli needs to find the spawn to kill to get 34 levels in a minute ;-)
[Wed Jan 12 01:21:18 2000] Geoff says, 'yea - i got resist msg - could just be my client'
[Wed Jan 12 01:21:18 2000] Sbasii says, 'She's pretty naked for a red /con'
[Wed Jan 12 01:21:22 2000] Caisha says, 'lute?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:21:23 2000] Harli says, 'Nindars, we weren't looking for that'
[Wed Jan 12 01:21:24 2000] Geoff says, 'true'
[Wed Jan 12 01:21:30 2000] Harli says, 'Just to see if we saw a resist message at all'
[Wed Jan 12 01:21:38 2000] A missed note brings Caisha's song to a close!
[Wed Jan 12 01:21:38 2000] Caisha's song ends.
[Wed Jan 12 01:21:38 2000] Nindars says, 'np, just saying it...'
[Wed Jan 12 01:21:39 2000]
[Wed Jan 12 01:21:39 2000] Geoff says, 'use mine'
[Wed Jan 12 01:21:42 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:21:48 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:21:50 2000] Harli says, 'So is the resist message suppose to be visible to us bards?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:21:54 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:21:54 2000] Geoff says, 'ok - song off, find a snake'
[Wed Jan 12 01:21:57 2000] Caisha's song ends.
[Wed Jan 12 01:21:57 2000] Caisha's song ends.
[Wed Jan 12 01:22:01 2000] Geoff says, 'lead it back here, then play'
[Wed Jan 12 01:22:20 2000] Alvys says, 'I think only the caster/singer get to see the resist message.'
[Wed Jan 12 01:22:24 2000] Geoff says, 'it could just be a display msg'
[Wed Jan 12 01:22:31 2000] Harli says, 'I've never seen a resist message using the song.'
[Wed Jan 12 01:22:38 2000] Taolas says, 'Nor have I'
[Wed Jan 12 01:22:39 2000] Nindars says, 'never seen a message'
[Wed Jan 12 01:22:47 2000] Aonin says, 'Which message are you discussing?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:22:47 2000] Alvys says, 'Is it possible the nodding lasted less than a tick?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:22:55 2000] You say, 'nor have i, only head nod'
[Wed Jan 12 01:22:56 2000] Geoff says, 'X resists your spell'
[Wed Jan 12 01:22:58 2000] Geoff says, 'or song'
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:02 2000] Harli says, 'I've just seen "head nods" or "nothing"'
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:08 2000] Geoff says, 'if that is it, i am going to skin somebody'
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:10 2000] Sbasii says, 'I was seeing it nod, then attack, or just nod'
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:14 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:17 2000] a snake bites Caisha for 1 point of damage.
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:21 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:22 2000] Geoff says, 'every time it attacks, you should see it resist'
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:23 2000] Taking a screenshot...
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:23 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:27 2000] Nindars says, 'should a level one snake even get a second save?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:27 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:30 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:32 2000] Harli says, 'Start the song then?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:32 2000]
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:32 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:34 2000] Geoff says, 'very very tiny'
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:35 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:35 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:41 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:41 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:47 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:47 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:49 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:51 2000] Taking a screenshot...
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:52 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:53 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:53 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:56 2000] Harli says, 'NO mesaage'
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:58 2000] Geoff says, 'Cai - tell me if you get a resist msg?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:59 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:23:59 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:02 2000] Caisha says, 'no resist'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:05 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:05 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:06 2000] Taking a screenshot...
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:07 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:08 2000] Harli says, 'No resist message here either'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:10 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:11 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:11 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:11 2000] Caisha says, 'none'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:12 2000] Alvys says, 'I see nod all the time'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:14 2000] Geoff says, 'K - sounds like a display message error then'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:17 2000] Aonin says, 'ditto'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:17 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:17 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:19 2000] Harli says, 'That would really suck'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:23 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:23 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:25 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:27 2000] Taking a screenshot...
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:28 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:29 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:29 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:31 2000] a snake bites Caisha for 1 point of damage.
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:32 2000] Sbasii says, 'how often should the resist be?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:32 2000] Harli says, 'All this for a display problem'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:34 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:35 2000] Geoff says, 'yea - it should save about 25762200000f the time at that level difference'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:35 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:35 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:37 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:39 2000] Geoff says, '35762200000n a white'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:40 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:41 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:41 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:44 2000] Geoff says, 'less for high chr'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:45 2000] Taking a screenshot...
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:48 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:48 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:50 2000] Caisha says, 'my chr is'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:51 2000] Sbasii says, 'Ok'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:53 2000] Caisha says, '110'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:53 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:53 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:55 2000] Nindars says, 'so how does that compare to enchanter mez?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:55 2000] Harli says, 'GZ:So CHR should reduce the 25/35?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:58 2000] Geoff says, 'yep'
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:59 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:24:59 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:01 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:04 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:04 2000] Geoff says, 'about the same as mes'
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:05 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:05 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:08 2000] Harli says, 'Okay that makes perfect sense to me'
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:09 2000] Geoff says, 'but mes lasts a lot longer'
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:11 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:11 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:12 2000] Geoff says, 'and you can do other things'
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:13 2000] a snake bites Caisha for 1 point of damage.
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:13 2000] Taking a screenshot...
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:14 2000] Hebus saved.
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:16 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:17 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:17 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:20 2000] Alvys says, 'takes mana though'
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:23 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:23 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:24 2000] Geoff says, 'but Lully is just cool - can take a guy out o combat'
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:26 2000] Nindars says, 'just asking, I don't play an enchanter'
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:27 2000] Caisha says, 'no special messages only nods'
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:27 2000] Geoff says, 'that it does'
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:29 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:31 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:32 2000] Sbasii says, 'Right.. so we're just not getting the correct resist messages? '
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:33 2000] Harli says, 'Now, if you get a success with 'nods' and then twist two other party songs, the Lullaby should last the entire 3 ticks?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:35 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:35 2000] Caisha says, 'i prefer charm'
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:36 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:36 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:41 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:41 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:45 2000] Geoff says, 'can probably only twist 1 other song with lully'
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:48 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:48 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:48 2000] Geoff says, 'short duration'
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:53 2000] Harli says, 'Okay so it only has a duration of say 2 ticks?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:54 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:25:54 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:00 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:00 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:03 2000] Harli says, 'That might be a non-discussed problem also'
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:06 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:06 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:12 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:12 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:13 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:16 2000] Geoff says, 'yea - cai - turn that off - watch how long till it attacks'
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:17 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:17 2000] Sbasii says, 'Yes, folks might be expecting a full 3-tick nod'
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:18 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:18 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:18 2000] Harli says, 'I know I expect all my songs to last 3 ticks'
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:19 2000] Caisha's song ends.
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:19 2000] Caisha's song ends.
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:20 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:22 2000]
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:23 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:25 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:25 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:25 2000] Caisha's song ends.
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:25 2000] Caisha's song ends.
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:32 2000] Geoff says, 'oops - sleep it, then turn it off - sorry'
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:33 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:35 2000]
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:36 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but Caisha dodges!
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:38 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:38 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:38 2000] Nindars says, '9 seconds?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:42 2000] Caisha's song ends.
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:42 2000] Caisha's song ends.
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:46 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:49 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:50 2000] Caisha says, 'oops lag'
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:52 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:53 2000]
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:54 2000] Sbasii says, 'Not three I don't think'
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:55 2000] Geoff says, 'no worries'
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:55 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:56 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:26:56 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:00 2000] Geoff says, 'def not 3'
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:01 2000] Caisha's song ends.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:01 2000] Caisha's song ends.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:04 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:06 2000]
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:06 2000] Alvys says, 'Lullaby used to be 3 ticks long in beta.'
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:07 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but Caisha dodges!
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:08 2000] Harli says, 'It seems to last 3 seconds'
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:09 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:09 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:10 2000] Nindars says, '8 seconds'
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:15 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:15 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:18 2000] Geoff says, 'somewhere between the 2 '
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:19 2000] You say, '8.4 sec'
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:21 2000] Caisha says, 'im having red PL'
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:21 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:21 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:22 2000] Caisha's song ends.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:22 2000] Caisha's song ends.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:23 2000]
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:23 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:23 2000] Caisha's song ends.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:24 2000] Caisha's song ends.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:26 2000] Geoff says, 'hmmm'
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:26 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:27 2000]
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:29 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:30 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:30 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:32 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:33 2000] Geoff says, 'well, we got what we came for'
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:36 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:36 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:36 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:39 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:42 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:42 2000] a snake's head nods.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:42 2000] Caisha tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:43 2000] Nindars says, 'We are missing the resist message'
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:45 2000] Sbasii says, 'Lotta resists on that snake there'
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:46 2000] Caisha's song ends.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:46 2000] Caisha's song ends.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:47 2000] Alvys says, 'Let's smack the snake :)'
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:50 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:51 2000] Harli says, 'And it's not a 3 tick song.'
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:52 2000] Geoff says, 'snake beatdown!'
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:53 2000] Sbasii grins.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:53 2000] a snake bites Caisha for 1 point of damage.
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:54 2000] Suladaan says, 'Any conclusions? I got here late... :)'
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:55 2000] Renbre says, 'hehe lvl 1 snake'
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:56 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:56 2000] Nindars says, 'can we try with more than one mob?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:27:59 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:02 2000] Chrysalsia tries to slash a snake, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:02 2000] Alvys tries to slash a snake, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:02 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:03 2000] Geoff says, 'one sec'
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:04 2000] Nindars says, 'say three or four?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:04 2000] Chrysalsia tries to slash a snake, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:04 2000] Alvys tries to slash a snake, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:05 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:07 2000] Geoff says, 'sure'
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:07 2000] Chrysalsia slashes a snake for 9 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:07 2000] Alvys slashes a snake for 6 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:10 2000] Chrysalsia tries to slash a snake, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:13 2000] Chrysalsia tries to slash a snake, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:14 2000] Caisha says, 'come on kill it'
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:18 2000] Aonin says, 'heh'
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:21 2000] a snake tries to bite Caisha, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:22 2000] Geoff says, 'may i have my lute back please'
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:24 2000] Nindars tries to slash a snake, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:24 2000] a snake bites Caisha for 1 point of damage.
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:25 2000] Chrysalsia tries to slash a snake, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:25 2000] Alvys says, 'Can you buff a snake?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:27 2000] Nindars tries to slash a snake, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:27 2000] a snake bites Caisha for 2 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:28 2000] Chrysalsia tries to slash a snake, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:28 2000] Alvys tries to slash a snake, but misses!
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:28 2000] Auto attack on.
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:30 2000] You slash a snake for 8 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:30 2000] You have slain a snake!
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:30 2000] a snake's corpse0 says 'My comrades will avenge my death'
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:31 2000] Auto attack on.
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:31 2000] You must first click on the being you wish to attack!
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:32 2000] You must first click on the being you wish to attack!
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:33 2000] Auto attack off.
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:34 2000] Taolas says, 'Buncjh of newbies )'
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:34 2000] Alvys says, 'Heh'
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:45 2000] Sbasii says, 'Snake faction )'
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:47 2000] Aonin says, 'a snake has comrades?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:48 2000] Renbre says, 'hehe'
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:52 2000] Geoff says, 'and it talks'
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:56 2000] Renbre says, 'lol'
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:56 2000] Geoff grins.
[Wed Jan 12 01:28:59 2000] Sbasii says, 'Amazing snake'
[Wed Jan 12 01:29:02 2000] Alvys says, 'Creepy'
[Wed Jan 12 01:29:06 2000] Renbre grins at the special snake.
[Wed Jan 12 01:29:12 2000] Harli says, 'I think the best is "A snakes feet adhere to the ground"'
[Wed Jan 12 01:29:19 2000] Aonin says, 'hehe'
[Wed Jan 12 01:29:23 2000] Renbre says, 'lol'
[Wed Jan 12 01:29:34 2000] Sbasii says, 'So, Geoff, what did we learn? '
[Wed Jan 12 01:29:44 2000] Geoff says, 'we learned that we have a display error'
[Wed Jan 12 01:29:47 2000] Taking a screenshot...
[Wed Jan 12 01:29:50 2000] Geoff says, 'and that i need to skin a certain programmer'
[Wed Jan 12 01:29:55 2000] Taking a screenshot...
[Wed Jan 12 01:29:55 2000] Nindars says, 'still wantto do a multi mob test....'
[Wed Jan 12 01:29:55 2000] Alvys says, 'Fippy?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:29:55 2000] Taolas says, 'lol'
[Wed Jan 12 01:30:01 2000] Sbasii says, 'heh'
[Wed Jan 12 01:30:05 2000] Geoff says, 'no - fippy does front end stuff'
[Wed Jan 12 01:30:10 2000] Geoff says, 'his gnoll hide is safe'
[Wed Jan 12 01:30:11 2000] Suladaan says, 'So it should be telling us it resisted more times?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:30:13 2000] Alvys says, 'heh, just kidding'
[Wed Jan 12 01:30:13 2000] Sbasii says, 'And that the song doesn't last three ticks.. .bards should hear that'
[Wed Jan 12 01:30:24 2000] Geoff says, 'that has been around since release'
[Wed Jan 12 01:30:27 2000] Taking a screenshot...
[Wed Jan 12 01:30:31 2000] Harli says, 'Aye that is what affects me most, I expected it to last 3 ticks'
[Wed Jan 12 01:30:32 2000] Sbasii says, 'Yeah,b ut many may not realize'
[Wed Jan 12 01:30:33 2000] Geoff says, 'timing spells is a good thing'
[Wed Jan 12 01:30:34 2000] Renbre says, 'err what has?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:30:35 2000] Alvys says, 'It was changed to that way late in beta 4'
[Wed Jan 12 01:30:37 2000] Nindars says, 'yes, but most bards assume songs are three ticks'
[Wed Jan 12 01:30:47 2000] Geoff says, 'that is true'
[Wed Jan 12 01:30:47 2000] Sbasii says, 'That's us bards for you'
[Wed Jan 12 01:30:48 2000] Renbre says, 'how many is that song?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:30:57 2000] Caisha says, 'i dont twist with this song'
[Wed Jan 12 01:30:59 2000] Renbre says, 'how many ticks is that song?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:31:04 2000] Caisha says, 'and i dont sing it without a cleric'
[Wed Jan 12 01:31:08 2000] Geoff says, 'song is about 1 tick'
[Wed Jan 12 01:31:11 2000] Renbre says, 'doh!'
[Wed Jan 12 01:31:14 2000] Suladaan says, 'I don't sing it at all :('
[Wed Jan 12 01:31:18 2000] Nindars says, 'two ticks and a delay for the snake to attack?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:31:21 2000] Renbre says, 'horrible to twist then =P'
[Wed Jan 12 01:31:26 2000] Geoff says, 'it is good for removing something from combat'
[Wed Jan 12 01:31:30 2000] Aonin says, 'Will it remain 1 tickish?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:31:33 2000] Alvys says, 'Can you make level 7 and 10 songs stack again? nudge nudge ? :)'
[Wed Jan 12 01:31:33 2000] Sbasii says, 'Then that's what we were seeing int he other data... one tick, then an attack'
[Wed Jan 12 01:31:36 2000] Geoff says, 'has for 8 months'
[Wed Jan 12 01:31:40 2000] Caisha says, 'i remove with charm or pixie based on need'
[Wed Jan 12 01:31:49 2000] Harli says, 'It would be a great song if people knew NOT to twist it ;-) Which they will tonight'
[Wed Jan 12 01:32:01 2000] Sbasii says, 'yeah that's good info'
[Wed Jan 12 01:32:11 2000] Caisha says, 'i dont know who said as such but ive heard that before'
[Wed Jan 12 01:32:15 2000] Renbre says, 'i've never twisted lull... but it still produced the same thing'
[Wed Jan 12 01:32:29 2000] Aonin says, 'I never twisted that tune either'
[Wed Jan 12 01:32:38 2000] Sbasii says, 'Thank you for doing this, GZ'
[Wed Jan 12 01:32:40 2000] Geoff says, 'yea - charm is 2 ticks'
[Wed Jan 12 01:32:44 2000] Caisha says, 'its difficult to black box test lull cause its all non deterministic'
[Wed Jan 12 01:32:56 2000] Geoff says, 'same as pixie'
[Wed Jan 12 01:32:59 2000] Aonin says, 'Yeah, appreciate the attention'
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:03 2000] Suladaan says, 'Yes, thank you for your time testing this with us.'
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:05 2000] Renbre kneels before Geoff in humility and reverence.
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:05 2000] Geoff says, 'my pleasure'
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:07 2000] Nindars says, 'yes,truly thanks'
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:07 2000] Renbre says, 'thank you'
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:07 2000] Harli says, 'Charm is only 2 ticks? Hmm didn't know that (Don't have it)'
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:11 2000] Nindars bows before Geoff.
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:15 2000] Taking a screenshot...
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:15 2000] Geoff bows before Renbre.
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:17 2000] Harli says, 'I thank you as well Geoff'
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:18 2000] Geoff bows before Nindars.
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:24 2000] Geoff says, 'ill get that msg in'
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:27 2000] Caisha says, 'Thank you GZ i look forward to your next release'
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:29 2000] Gallanite beams a smile at Geoff.
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:31 2000] Geoff says, 'and the next archmage page will be on Bards'
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:35 2000] You thank Geoff heartily.
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:37 2000] Geoff says, 'send me good questions on our website'
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:38 2000] Nindars says, 'cool'
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:38 2000] Sbasii says, 'We can hardly wait!'
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:40 2000] Aonin says, 'yes...a hint on the next song :)'
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:46 2000] Renbre says, 'hehe'
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:47 2000] Harli says, 'Geoff, I wrote a novel on the sight'
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:48 2000] Aonin says, 'just a hint :)'
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:52 2000] Nindars says, 'have you looked already? some nice questions (some silly ones too)'
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:53 2000] Harli says, 'Site'
[Wed Jan 12 01:33:56 2000] Renbre tries to milk the situation for all its worth.
[Wed Jan 12 01:34:01 2000] Geoff says, 'Next song helps protect you from spells in a compeletely non MR way'
[Wed Jan 12 01:34:01 2000] Nindars says, 'can we get bind??? <NO!>'
[Wed Jan 12 01:34:08 2000] Sbasii says, 'hmmm'
[Wed Jan 12 01:34:13 2000] Aonin says, 'hmmm cool :)'
[Wed Jan 12 01:34:19 2000] Caisha says, 'i want HT and LOH'
[Wed Jan 12 01:34:22 2000] Sbasii says, 'want a self-only bind.. oh yes :)'
[Wed Jan 12 01:34:24 2000] Geoff says, 'lookin forward to seeing how it works myself'
[Wed Jan 12 01:34:27 2000] Sbasii says, 'Yeah, and harm touch'
[Wed Jan 12 01:34:30 2000] Nindars says, 'sounds cool'
[Wed Jan 12 01:34:30 2000] Suladaan smirks mischieviously at Sbasii.
[Wed Jan 12 01:34:30 2000] Caisha says, 'or just some milk and biscuits'
[Wed Jan 12 01:34:36 2000] Sbasii says, 'hee'
[Wed Jan 12 01:34:36 2000] Geoff says, 'milk and biscuits?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:34:37 2000] Nindars says, 'next song coming soon?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:34:38 2000] Geoff says, 'that i could do'
[Wed Jan 12 01:34:44 2000] Geoff says, 'next patch or one after, i think'
[Wed Jan 12 01:34:50 2000] Geoff says, 'depends on how fast testing clears it'
[Wed Jan 12 01:34:50 2000] Taolas says, 'Great'
[Wed Jan 12 01:34:54 2000] Renbre says, 'hehe'
[Wed Jan 12 01:34:56 2000] Nindars says, 'cool'
[Wed Jan 12 01:35:00 2000] Renbre starts to sing for his beer.
[Wed Jan 12 01:35:03 2000] Renbre says, 'la la la'
[Wed Jan 12 01:35:04 2000] Sbasii says, 'make sure they get the message right :)'
[Wed Jan 12 01:35:15 2000] Geoff says, 'my spelling is awful - they always correct me'
[Wed Jan 12 01:35:16 2000] Aonin hands Geoff the Sacred Seal of Approval.
[Wed Jan 12 01:35:19 2000] Caisha says, 'one last question from me>?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:35:23 2000] Hebus saved.
[Wed Jan 12 01:35:26 2000] Geoff grins and puts the seal on his chest.
[Wed Jan 12 01:35:27 2000] Nindars says, 'any chance you guys could look at copying peoples normal character onto the test server? You might get better testing...'
[Wed Jan 12 01:35:27 2000] Geoff says, 'sure'
[Wed Jan 12 01:35:29 2000] Renbre says, 'that was it'
[Wed Jan 12 01:35:32 2000] Gallanite thinks GZ has a tuff job.
[Wed Jan 12 01:35:36 2000] Caisha says, 'small brass trumpet does it exist?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:35:40 2000] Renbre says, 'heh'
[Wed Jan 12 01:35:44 2000] Sbasii agrees with Gallanite.
[Wed Jan 12 01:35:47 2000] Geoff says, 'we have so many on test that we dont really copy people over anymore'
[Wed Jan 12 01:35:48 2000] Outlawboo says, 'weres is the entrance to Qeynos||?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:35:51 2000] Geoff says, 'small brass trumpet'
[Wed Jan 12 01:35:53 2000] Geoff says, 'hmmm'
[Wed Jan 12 01:35:53 2000] Nindars says, 'np'
[Wed Jan 12 01:36:05 2000] Geoff says, 'go the direction i am facing outlawboo and hug the wall'
[Wed Jan 12 01:36:05 2000] Caisha says, 'was listed in patch message'
[Wed Jan 12 01:36:05 2000] Nindars says, 'and kelin's practice lute'
[Wed Jan 12 01:36:14 2000] Alvys says, 'I retired my levle 39 bard on tarew marr. Hardly play on normal servers any more.'
[Wed Jan 12 01:36:16 2000] Geoff says, 'oh - some of those are just hard to find'
[Wed Jan 12 01:36:17 2000] Harli says, 'I'm curious if the named instruemnts do anything special'
[Wed Jan 12 01:36:23 2000] Fippy Darkpaw shouts 'BBBBBAAAARRRKKKK!!!!! You humans will pay for ruining our homeland!! GRRRRRRRR!!!! Family Darkpaw of the Sabretooth Clan will slay you all!! BARK!
[Wed Jan 12 01:36:37 2000] Geoff says, 'named instruments can give more effect for the same song - they are focus objects'
[Wed Jan 12 01:36:39 2000] Renbre runs in fear.
[Wed Jan 12 01:36:41 2000] Nindars says, 'laugh, I don't think ANYONE has ever found them...'
[Wed Jan 12 01:36:45 2000] Caisha says, 'im reading YOU KNOBS need to explore more'
[Wed Jan 12 01:36:48 2000] Harli says, 'I mean like Mino Horn and such'
[Wed Jan 12 01:36:55 2000] Nindars says, 'laugh yup'
[Wed Jan 12 01:36:58 2000] Sbasii says, 'heh. '
[Wed Jan 12 01:37:04 2000] Sbasii says, 'I do love the way the Mino horn looks now'
[Wed Jan 12 01:37:07 2000] Nindars says, 'it's hard to explore when people keep killing all the bards....'
[Wed Jan 12 01:37:09 2000] Harli says, 'Or Brahms' horn'
[Wed Jan 12 01:37:13 2000] Geoff says, 'well, off to get this fixed - see you all on the boards'
[Wed Jan 12 01:37:14 2000] Renbre coughs *mutters something about a piccilo*
[Wed Jan 12 01:37:16 2000] Geoff says, 'write me good questions'
[Wed Jan 12 01:37:18 2000] Harli says, 'Thank Geoff'
[Wed Jan 12 01:37:20 2000] Sbasii says, 'See you, and thanks again'
[Wed Jan 12 01:37:20 2000] Suladaan thanks Geoff heartily.
[Wed Jan 12 01:37:21 2000] Geoff waves.
[Wed Jan 12 01:37:25 2000] Sbasii beams a smile at Geoff.
[Wed Jan 12 01:37:25 2000] Aonin says, 'take care and thxs'
[Wed Jan 12 01:37:27 2000] Caisha says, 'byies'
[Wed Jan 12 01:37:27 2000]
[Wed Jan 12 01:37:28 2000]
[Wed Jan 12 01:37:29 2000] Nindars says, 'any hints on those instruments?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:37:36 2000] Taolas says, 'Bi Geoff'
[Wed Jan 12 01:37:39 2000] You say, 'bye'
[Wed Jan 12 01:37:45 2000] Sbasii says, 'He's dying'
[Wed Jan 12 01:37:54 2000] Sbasii says, 'weird'
[Wed Jan 12 01:38:11 2000] Renbre says, 'so what was the bug?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:38:12 2000] Alvys says, 'Dispell his guide health :)'
[Wed Jan 12 01:38:19 2000] Nindars says, 'display message'
[Wed Jan 12 01:38:33 2000] Alvys says, 'He's gone now.'
[Wed Jan 12 01:38:39 2000] Renbre says, 'what's wrong with it?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:38:46 2000] Suladaan says, 'I"m glad I caught the tail end of this!'
[Wed Jan 12 01:38:48 2000] Nindars says, 'there is a resist message we aren't getting'
[Wed Jan 12 01:38:59 2000] You say, 'Bye everyonem need to sleep before exams'
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:00 2000] Harli says, 'AND it only lasts 1 tick'
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:02 2000] Gallanite says, 'And the song only last one tick'
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:04 2000] You wave goodbye to everyone.
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:07 2000] Sbasii says, 'bye'
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:10 2000] Alvys says, 'It showed nod and the test subject attacks immediately'
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:10 2000] It will take you about 30 seconds to prepare your camp.
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:11 2000] Nindars says, 'later all, back to work'
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:14 2000] Harli says, 'Back to my server'
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:14 2000] It will take about 25 more seconds to prepare your camp.
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:19 2000] It will take about 20 more seconds to prepare your camp.
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:22 2000] Nindars says, 'camping'
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:24 2000] It will take about 15 more seconds to prepare your camp.
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:25 2000] Taolas says, 'Night all see you on the boards'
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:27 2000] Suladaan says, 'so its meant to get resisted that much?'
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:28 2000] Gallanite says, 'That was great. Farewell'
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:29 2000] It will take about 10 more seconds to prepare your camp.
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:32 2000] Nindars says, 'I'll post results on concert hall tomorrow'
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:34 2000] It will take about 5 more seconds to prepare your camp.
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:38 2000] Harli says, '25%'
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:39 2000] Sbasii says, 'thanks nindars'
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:39 2000] Nindars says, 'if someone else doesn't beat me'
[Wed Jan 12 01:39:40 2000] Suladaan says, 'Cool. Thanks, Nin.'

https://web.archive.org/web/20010417...LullabyLog.htm

Good bits here:

Quote:

[35 Bard] Caisha (Half Elf)

Caisha is the one he is referring to when he says "it should resist about 25% of the time at that level difference", vs a level 1 snake. That was the absolute lowest resist chance, for a green.

It then was about 35% for a white, and scaled up for reds (of course).

Dolalin · #5 08-19-2020, 04:16 AM

Relevant whineplay thread with replies from Abashi:

https://web.archive.org/web/20010303.../011801-2.html

And quotes from Ester the Tester on page 4 and beyond:

Quote:

From Ester's Post in the Bug Forum
==================================
Hello all,
Abashi already preped you for this, but here is the 'official' results. Please know that not only have we done our own testing, but we have talked to GZ and the programmer in charge of such things.

Lullabye is working as we intended. The song was not meant to work well on mobs over level 30. The upgrade is the Pixie strike, and then again Twilight. However, even the upgrages were never meant to be as effective as the Enchanter's spells.

I am sorry this was not found out earlier. I will continue to look into any other songs that may be bugged.

If you have comments on the design of these or other songs please feel free to take them to General Discussion.

Ester the Tester
==================================

Quote:

>EsterTheTester
> Station Member
> posted 09-08-2000 10:34 AM
>
> I am going to close this thread. Not out of any disrespect but simply to move the discussion
> over to General Discussion.
>
> As a note: This spell is not meant to get better as you increase in level, and the 40ish resist
> rate is exactly what the programmers wanted.
> I know you are disappointed. I will strive to make certain that things like this are
> communicated in a much more timely manner.

That pretty much says it all, 40%ish resists on any mob 1-30 is as intended.

Dolalin · #6 08-19-2020, 04:37 AM

Here are relevant P99 threads about this song and adjustments that have been made to it over the years:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=52422
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=100276

Based on the evidence vis a vis Live, original nerf to Lullaby happened in August 2000 (per the Abashi post in the whineplay thread). At that point it was changed as above, to get progressively worse and worse as the bard gets higher in level, until in the ~40s when it's more or less useless even on greens. I don't believe there is a hard level cap.

Lots of posts well into 2001 talking about being unable for example to mez the EC orc camps as they'd all resist (primary + secondary resists resulted in something like a ~70-75% resist rate at higher levels even on low greens):

https://web.archive.org/web/20021028...gs.asp?song=17

Before the August 2000 nerf though, Lullaby was indeed very OP and bards were the premier mez class in groups.