Charm mechanic changes next patch?

[derpcake2]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Amazing! So many people been arguing Enchanter charm felt wrong (or right), but Dolalin dod the impossible found good evidence beyond just witness statements.

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[Chortles Snortles]

whoa guys chill and read my wiki
(LOL)

[starkind]

Enchanters are all about removing consent.

Rip ur brains.

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[Stonewallx39]

If you read Dolalins research it’s extremely weak. It’s not even remotely close to statistically significant or comparing like variables. The classic era (supposedly couldn’t personally verify) test had a small sample size and didn’t control for the effects of magic resistance debuffs. The test was 25 samples, and found a weak negative correlation between charisma and charm duration, where less charisma slightly improved charm duration.

I’d argue (and gosh darn it I’m a guy in the internet!) that magic resist/small level differentiation caused most of the volatility seen in the test results and as a result of a very high standard deviation the 25 sample size is not enough to draw any meaningful conclusions.

He did test magic resistance later, and found it was strongly correlated with charm duration.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by Stonewallx39 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you read Dolalins research it’s extremely weak. It’s not even remotely close to statistically significant or comparing like variables. The classic era (supposedly couldn’t personally verify) test had a small sample size and didn’t control for the effects of magic resistance debuffs. The test was 25 samples, and found a weak negative correlation between charisma and charm duration, where less charisma slightly improved charm duration.

I’d argue (and gosh darn it I’m a guy in the internet!) that magic resist/small level differentiation caused most of the volatility seen in the test results and as a result of a very high standard deviation the 25 sample size is not enough to draw any meaningful conclusions.

He did test magic resistance later, and found it was strongly correlated with charm duration.

the real irony is both increased MR resists and charisma check only applying on first cast or check are probably true and u can play 3 characters on takp if this game is too hard for u

also considering channeling - it's being looked into seriously by dedicated curators

P99 is really great.

It is really great at what p99 does.

The spirit and soul of classic matters too, and the feel does aswell. I'm glad Nilbog sticks to his guns and demands serious evidence. It means changes like this are more likely to stick. Still, I wish I could run my classic feeling custom box. It wouldn't be p99 though.

[Tunabros]

person who doesn;t play p99 comes in to talk about charming

lol!

[loramin]

Originally Posted by derpcake2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From the person that posted this "proof", 2nd paragraph from your link:

"And each test includes a total of 25 charms. Yes, I know this is WAY too low to have a completely accurate result set, but damn, I can only sit it one place for so long charming the same mob"

Even in 2001 that guy knew this is very low value at best.

Also there is absolutely zero data on mobs >50.

Of course you already knew that. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You are just pretending to be stupid so you can gloat about this [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So wait, let me get this straight: you have zero data or evidence of your own to submit. You have nothing to back your position up, except your desire to keep P99 enchanters fun for you personally ... but you're certain that Enchanters here are accurate, and played just like this in '99-'01?

Furthermore you are so eager to prove that (100% unfounded) belief that you're willing to attack and tear down the excellent work another researcher volunteered their time to find ... while completely ignoring the fact that all classic research is similarly crappy old posts like that one? And again, you're doing this attacking while not even trying to do a fraction of what Dolalin did (ie. find even the tiniest bit of evidence to support your point)?

Do I have that correct? Or is it simpler than that: maybe just that you have no respect for what this place is about?

Because I'm truly starting to think you don't care if Enchanters (or anything else here) is classic: you'll just make any argument you can (ie. throw as much spaghetti as you can at the wall) in the hope that something sticks, so you can keep playing your class the (unclassic) way you like.

But if you've enjoyed this place even a fraction as much as I have, I think that's a disrespectful position to take: the one and only thing our benevolent overlords here have asked for, in exchange for limitless free gameplay, is help making things more classic.

[Pringles]

Originally Posted by Smeeter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hello everyone!

I have heard rumors of charm mechanics for chanters will be changed next patch. I have searched around and cannot find anything about this. Maybe I fail at my search skills.



Any thoughts?

If haynar wants to port the code for next patch, then yeah that's how it will be.

Maximum chaos would be going with Torven's speculation on the first resist system and changing resists across the board to live's pvp formula.

[Lich]

It's classic enough to still be fun but it's approaching meh status. We have played for years with stuff slowly getting "fixed" but it's becoming more about nerfing xyz than making it classic. I have one or more of each class that I'm leveling up and I don't want to see any more nerfs. I spent weeks in KC when Kunark came out and good enchanters would charm while grouped and it was awesome. I always wanted an enchanter in the group. Yet some of you clowns are saying that enchanters didn't charm during that era. I lived it and the ones in the know certainly kicked ass.

[Deadfather]

Enchanter charm has been nerfed with last patch so ?