Current Raid Proposals by AG, Riot, and Freedom

[Psyborg]

Originally Posted by Akg49 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's the whole reason the raid scene is in this situation. Detoxx has been getting his way for years, creating an unbalanced raid scene, resulting in the toxicity we see. Now he wants Rotation Races so that he can do almost nothing and get all kinds of warm body charity pixels, while over half the server has no say in the matter.

Where in any of this do you see rotation races? The only thing Freedom has any interest in rotating is Tunare/RW and those seem to be the two things all guilds can agree on. Galach asked for server default fallbacks for when a rotation fails, and Freedom is suggesting a race to Tunare FTE, Riot is suggesting a race to Takish FTE (effectively), and AG is suggesting that whatever guild is in the zone when clearing when Tunare spawns should win it. Again, those 3 suggestions are only in lieu of a broken player rotation.

Please stop spewing misinformation.

[Psyborg]

Originally Posted by Downunderman911 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They just want Freedumb from the rules and for casuals to stay out of sight away from the pixels

Actually the opposite. We want casuals to come compete. The server is more fun that way!

[Grapeape]

every casual that's upset with the state of affairs needs to consider that Roegan and Nilbog's vision for the server might not line up with their own vision for the server, and that their own vision for the server doesnt mean a god damned thing. The server owned by the players. If we don't like the direction that the staff steers blue, click on another server from the list next time.

[Grapeape]

Originally Posted by Grapeape [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The server owned by the players.

isn't owned*

[Psyborg]

Originally Posted by kaizersoze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well according to Detox, nobody but Freedom, AG or Riot should have any input on the raid rules because they're all filthy casuls who dont even compete. Not TSS, not DB, not Kittens, not Lighthouse, Aegis, none of them. They pretend to be the champion of the little guy, while simultaneously saying they should have no say in how the default rules of the server should be set.

The paradox of course being, how can Freedom have a voice in telling people who can and cant speak about the rules because they don't compete when Freedom doesn't even compete on their own, basically since their inception? Pot calling the kettle black.

Come on man you have to know how disingenuous this is. Galach and Menden are the ones that said this is a problem for R/F/AG to solve. Nobody had any complaints for an entire week that so many people were chiming in but at some point there is such thing as too many people wanting to have their say in that channel. None of the rulesets being discussed are meant to discourage smaller guilds from competing. The opposite is true actually: all of Riot's server default proposals encourage zerg level raiding. Smaller guilds will have a much easier time competing with mechanics like FTE lockouts in place. Once Kittens has an FTE on Aary, that mob is effectively their mob for an hour+. But no, Riot has a hard line against FTE lockouts.

We get that Riot wants to push for a full server rotation, and we get that the casual guilds favor that. Freedom isn't evil for wanting competition, it's just the way we think the game is best enjoyed for us and the server maintainers are clearly in agreement.

Freedom has not told any smaller guild to shut up or keep out, we simply wanted clarification on Menden's post. Nobody stopped Kittens/TSS/DB/AEGIS/etc. from offering up suggestions once Galach made it clear this was an F/R/AG problem to resolve. We limited our guild to 2-3 reps max in UN, and we believe other non-entities (Sorry Keera, it's true) should refrain from posting there too. Again, if that makes us the bad guys then I really don't know what to say.

The thing that strikes me the most Kaiser is that every single one of your own personal suggestions is closer to Freedom's than it is your own guilds yet you are intent and shitting on us here in RnF. You don't want rotations, you want harsher penalties for petitions. That is quite literally the crux of our proposal.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Grapeape [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

every casual that's upset with the state of affairs needs to consider that Roegan and Nilbog's vision for the server might not line up with their own vision for the server, and that their own vision for the server doesnt mean a god damned thing. The server isn't owned by the players. If we don't like the direction that the staff steers blue, click on another server from the list next time.

This.

[Akg49]

The thing is that you don't want less people because it'll make it easier to come to an agreement, you want less people because no one wants Freedom's proposal, or anything to do with Freedom XD ... and if all the casual guilds had a say/vote you guys would be voted off the island. Do you know who's fault that is.. ? It is your own fault for being so toxic.

[Kaitainz]

Originally Posted by Psyborg [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Come on man you have to know how disingenuous this is. Galach and Menden are the ones that said this is a problem for R/F/AG to solve. Nobody had any complaints for an entire week that so many people were chiming in but at some point there is such thing as too many people wanting to have their say in that channel. None of the rulesets being discussed are meant to discourage smaller guilds from competing. The opposite is true actually: all of Riot's server default proposals encourage zerg level raiding. Smaller guilds will have a much easier time competing with mechanics like FTE lockouts in place. Once Kittens has an FTE on Aary, that mob is effectively their mob for an hour+. But no, Riot has a hard line against FTE lockouts.

We get that Riot wants to push for a full server rotation, and we get that the casual guilds favor that. Freedom isn't evil for wanting competition, it's just the way we think the game is best enjoyed for us and the server maintainers are clearly in agreement.

Freedom has not told any smaller guild to shut up or keep out, we simply wanted clarification on Menden's post. Nobody stopped Kittens/TSS/DB/AEGIS/etc. from offering up suggestions once Galach made it clear this was an F/R/AG problem to resolve. We limited our guild to 2-3 reps max in UN, and we believe other non-entities (Sorry Keera, it's true) should refrain from posting there too. Again, if that makes us the bad guys then I really don't know what to say.

The thing that strikes me the most Kaiser is that every single one of your own personal suggestions is closer to Freedom's than it is your own guilds yet you are intent and shitting on us here in RnF. You don't want rotations, you want harsher penalties for petitions. That is quite literally the crux of our proposal.

Do you actually believe your own bullshit? You have 6-8 people all dog piling others that have a different opinion then freedom. Freedom has told several people in smaller guilds to
Shit the fuck up and stay out of this. Your either sucking Furoars dick amd can’t see straight or an absolute idiot if you actually can’t see that everything you just posted is a fucking lie. Holy shit balls Batman.

[Psyborg]

Originally Posted by Kaitainz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you actually believe your own bullshit? You have 6-8 people all dog piling others that have a different opinion then freedom. Freedom has told several people in smaller guilds to
Shit the fuck up and stay out of this. Your either sucking Furoars dick amd can’t see straight or an absolute idiot if you actually can’t see that everything you just posted is a fucking lie. Holy shit balls Batman.

Show me quotes of a Freedom people shitting on a guild for having a voice. Questioning the intent of the GM's specifically saying F/R/AG need to solve this isn't shitting or dogpiling on someone.

[Psyborg]

Originally Posted by Akg49 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thing is that you don't want less people because it'll make it easier to come to an agreement, you want less people because no one wants Freedom's proposal, or anything to do with Freedom XD ... and if all the casual guilds had a say/vote you guys would be voted off the island. Do you know who's fault that is.. ? It is your own fault for being so toxic.

Freedom doesn't want less people anywhere. We want more people competing, less people whining in the UN. Let's get there.