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View Poll Results: Which do you prefer?
Azure Guard's proposal 79 37.44%
Riot's proposal 41 19.43%
Freedom's proposal 26 12.32%
Bush did p99 toxicity 65 30.81%
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Old 10-28-2020, 03:13 AM
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Living rent free in Criot RnFers' heads

Had a group in hole yesterday with some normal Riot, p cool people

I understand why they frown upon RnF, you two clowns are p bad at it jesus lol
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Old 10-28-2020, 03:24 AM
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Worth mentioning that the non-suspended guilds were able to create an agreement that was a mix of draft-pick rotation and ffa mobs that everyone was happy with in one afternoon.
That involves sharing and respecting others, clearly something all 3 of the raid-banned guilds could work on...
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Old 10-28-2020, 03:26 AM
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a lot of similarities between AG / Riot.
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also anyone else notice how when they made UN channel public it became like 100 times less toxic? Scroll up about 2 weeks and.. yikes
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Someone is going to need to summarize those for the rest of us
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I think most of those votes for AG's proposal are from Riot members. Pretty popular proposal AG has there.
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I'd be happy with a mash up of Riot and AG's. Freedom's may as well have been written in crayon.
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AG's most well written and concise, and similar in nature to Riot. Looks like a good place to start negotiating.
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Riot proposing a green style jury system when most shit on green bypasses it to settle out of court or petition straight to GM's.
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Gms want less petitions and there isnt much other option lol
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and Detoxx immediately asks for Rotation Races rofl. Detoxx, these aren't competitive, they exclude all the casuals (this has been shown in Kael for months), and you need to stop hiding behind them. Stop being scared to actually compete, you know, by playing actual Everquest.
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Passing it off onto other players from the server to rule on seems incredibly flawed and not likely to reduce petitions. Like I said no one wants to get into some star chamber shit on green they'd rather concede or get the GM's involved, so the same status quo we already have.
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All petitions get posted into an RnF poll and the online forum community gets to decide, problem solved
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Meanwhile, Freedom's toxicity is overflowing again in the UN channel, trying to keep casual guilds out, trying to lock up content behind their Rotation Races. Shame.

Focus should be on how to bring together proposals, especially with many people finding much agreement between AG and Riot's proposal right now.
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What is your solution to reduce petitions, if not by council of our peers? The GMs, who are volunteers, are sick of dealing with them week in and week out, but if people are breaking the rules, you can't just let them crap on the server because the GMs dont want to be bothered.

The only other real solution I can think of is when a guild thinks they're wronged, everyone drops the mob, reviews, and a concession is thrown out by the guilty party or people who claimed falsely. But if the punishment is the same as if they wait weeks on end while things are reviewed, no loot is deleted, and it's only 2 mobs they lose, why even bother not going to petition? You might even get away with it even if you did break the rules.

A council might not be perfect, but it could be dealt with far more swiftly and if the party found in the wrong doesn't like it, they could escalate it, but if one party is habitually in the wrong and petitioned, people will take notice in and out of guild. Especially if there are steeper consequences to it.

As for the TOV lockouts, this is Freedom's chance to try to throw AG away like a used condom with a meta that literally only they want. Very short lockouts would be fine to prevent leapfrogging, but Freedom doesn't want that. It's gonna be a LONG winter of not raiding, folks.
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anyone got TLDR for all of them?
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AG and Riot pretty similar also seems to be the fairest/most thought put into it. Freedom is we want pixels and don’t want to share and competition is bad.
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you forgot the part where they're going to dump all the warm body members they think are useless because they wont need them anymore if they have one person who can suicide in for FTE.
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With how toxic Freedom continues to be its clear they haven’t learned anything. They should remain banned after an agreement is reached. Or at the very least they should be on incredibly thin ice.
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Yea that’s why I think freedom should honestly just stay perma banned. The server will go on just fine without that toxicity. At the very least the leadership should stay banned and members can rejoin the sever in a couple months.
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Voted AG because it was the only one that looks like an adult wrote it.
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Waiting on Kittens and TSS proposal to vote.
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What is yours now that Galach has roundly rejected the council of peers idea?
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Old 10-28-2020, 06:15 AM
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I, for one, am particular in blaming President George Walker Bush for all things that are wrong here.

and for 9/11 tower trouble
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Old 10-28-2020, 07:45 AM
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They both really got under your skin pal

Can't keep their names out of any of your posts, impressive
Aww has he noticed you yet?
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Old 10-28-2020, 08:27 AM
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that feel when you guys have to stay suspended until you work with Freedom
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Old 10-28-2020, 08:33 AM
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I would have maybe picked AG but more 16 hour POG clears sounds awful
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Old 10-28-2020, 09:15 AM
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Now that all 15 Freedom members have voted for their own proposal, watch the Riot/AG votes start climbing.
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Old 10-28-2020, 09:23 AM
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Imagine having to write a 9 page document because you can't play a game nicely.
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Old 10-28-2020, 09:27 AM
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Now that all 15 Freedom members have voted for their own proposal, watch the Riot/AG votes start climbing.
better work on that attitude or we could be here a while
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