Monk epic with Primary item ?

[Trzzle]

Originally Posted by Nitholias01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

at 58+ your fist with epic is 20/16

No.

[Sacer]

Originally Posted by Trzzle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No.

Yes

Here is the main hand bonus damage table for melees :

Level 28: 1
Level 31: 2
Level 34: 3
Level 37: 4
Level 40: 5
Level 43: 6
Level 46: 7
Level 49: 8
Level 52: 9
Level 55: 10
Level 58: 11

At 60 you get 11 bonus damage, and the fist become 20/16 (1.25 ratio) in the main hand, that's why it outdamage most weapons with a better ratio, addy club in comparaison become 26/25 (1.04 ratio)

[Lurgort/Sseri]

It's not a raw increase to the ratio, it's a flat bonus in damage scaling per level.

If epic fists were 20/16, Monks would be spamming attacks over 100 damage.

[Ortnit]

Originally Posted by Sacer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes
At 60 you get 11 bonus damage, and the fist become 20/16 (1.25 ratio) in the main hand, that's why it outdamage most weapons with a better ratio, addy club in comparaison become 26/25 (1.04 ratio)

It's not correct.
While the tendency is right, the MH Bonus is added without Modifier.

The correct formula can be found on the Wiki under Mechanics:

[Max Damage] = ([Mod] x [Weapon Damage]) + [Main Hand Bonus] (rounded down)

[Sacer]

Originally Posted by Ortnit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not correct.
While the tendency is right, the MH Bonus is added without Modifier.

The correct formula can be found on the Wiki under Mechanics:

[Max Damage] = ([Mod] x [Weapon Damage]) + [Main Hand Bonus] (rounded down)

I did not know that interesting thanks, so the Mod is always minimum 2 and up to 4.31 for monks with max strength. That makes the bonus damage less relevant than I thought but still something to take into account.

[Mod] is calculated as: ([Weapon Skill] + [STR] -75) / 100

[Ortnit]

Originally Posted by Sacer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I did not know that interesting thanks, so the Mod is always minimum 2 and up to 4.31 for monks with max strength. That makes the bonus damage less relevant than I thought but still something to take into account.

[Mod] is calculated as: ([Weapon Skill] + [STR] -75) / 100

I had the same conversation with a guildy a couple of months ago. Like you, i also thought you could just add MH bonus to weapon damage (hence 20/16 for Epic monk fists). That's when i looked it up on the wiki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[zarza]

dmg bonus is not base dmg

[Legidias]

Its more relevant than you think on high AC raid targets, where you will very rarely hit for max damage (and more often hit for 11 dmg).