25 NPC AoE Limit

jungels · #1 06-11-2021, 01:34 AM

After having this installed for a year+, can we please remove it. I get the argument that most computers couldn't handle this back in 2000 but this isn't classic. Even if everyone's computer froze... it was still possible to AE all of fear. With all of the changes in place this is no longer a classic server. This is 100% a custom server with custom item and gameplay changes. I just don't really understand some of the decisions. Part of the fun of playing this game now is because we are able to do things we couldn't do before. I don't think it's right to just make a game change based on an opinion that it wasn't supposed to be possible.

I understand the TOV dragon changes.... that was literally in response to so much wasted time with raid petitions. I even understand the item insta-cast nerfs (although I'm adamantly against them)... but preventing people from AEing to level or farm faction is completely different and in completely different ball park. People don't have hours and hours, like they used to, to dedicate to leveling. We have lives. Give us our AE back, please.

IDK, is it just me? Curious to hear other people's thoughts now that this "experiment" has run it's course.

funry · #2 06-11-2021, 02:18 AM

At this point we're well into the end of velious and Luclin would be rolled out (Dec 2001 conservatively). The game received a graphic overhaul, as computers were getting better CPUs and GPUs. I think it's safe to say most people could handle more than 25 mobs, especially with spell effects turned off.

Atmas · #3 06-11-2021, 02:27 AM

It was pretty much the standard strategy for trash clearing in VT and encounters in PoP to do AoEing. In Velious is it may have been less common but people definitely AoEd in Seb.

The biggest disappointment for me is that it really nerfs the full potential of some classes like Wizard.

starkind · #4 06-11-2021, 03:31 AM

You can still AoE 5-8+ mobs at a time for ridiculous mana efficiency.

Arvan · #5 06-11-2021, 03:35 AM

Sorry you dont like leveling (aka playing everquest)

Twochain · #6 06-11-2021, 05:00 AM

this man waited 9 years for his first post

And I agree with him.

But I see why the GM's did it. Also green probably would have been a SH I I I I I I I I T show if no pbaoe limits.

Should be a courtesy thing though, not hard limited. No pbaoe limits. But if you're in a zone with a lot of other people leveling, stick to 25 mobs or less. Otherwise they are allowed to aoe fear your kite. It's a little overwhelming that bards can legit solo exp entire zones at once. Chardok pbaoe... was awesome but a headache to the staff. Still, I think that's something that the community should have been forced to come up with a solution.

Kinda like, remember back in the day, if someone fucked with you at your camp, you'd log your main and chain kill the entire camp for 2 hours? I remember that being a COMMON thing on my server (tarew marr). I feel like that's how many of these giga nerd situations should be handled. If the bard doesn't send out group invites or leave camps for other legit groups, let them train each other for 2 hours. Nobody wins there. There will be eventual forced compromise. Chardok/seb AOE group won't let you take a camp? Wooops here comes my factioned enchanter good luck pulling mobs that are constantly blanketed. I've been spending time recently swarming in Velks, and it seems pretty civil. Even if a bard is clearing the ENTIRE maze, every time an enchanter shows up to take frenzy there is never bitching even though the bard had the PH killed. At least that i've witnessed yet.

"Hey i'm gonna move to ABC"

"No we are pulling all that to zone and have been for hours"

"Well i can either bring my enchanter and mem blur your trains for the next hour that we were going to camp it, or you could just let the actual group have the camp"

"Fuckin fine"

tldr ya please let us police ourselves and only petition the truly egregious i.e ruining things unprompted and spouting racing /shouts or whatever.

myrddraal · #7 06-11-2021, 05:30 AM

Make bards and wizards more OP? Nah

Tethler · #8 06-11-2021, 05:35 AM

Baler · #9 06-11-2021, 09:18 AM

Nothing about making non-classic changes equals classic.

I do think bards were out of control pulling entire parts of zones.
Also the 25 ae limit changed some raiding strats, like AEing fear trash.

So it's hard to say No or Yes. I want classic everquest but bad eggs ruin it for everyone else.

jungels · #10 06-11-2021, 09:55 AM

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It was pretty much the standard strategy for trash clearing in VT and encounters in PoP to do AoEing. In Velious is it may have been less common but people definitely AoEd in Seb.

The biggest disappointment for me is that it really nerfs the full potential of some classes like Wizard.

It's just wasting everyone's time. The limit is supposed to be how much your group/raid can handle.