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View Poll Results: For or Against this proposal?
Yes, I like it. 23 32.86%
Needs some work 11 15.71%
No, I don't like it. 36 51.43%
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Old 06-18-2021, 08:53 PM
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You guys do realize that it doesn't say anywhere in the proposal what you can or can't do with your ring once you have completed the quest right? You would still be able to MQ your ring if you wanted to...
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Old 06-18-2021, 11:41 PM
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Not relevant towards the topic and discussion at hand. Please refrain from posting here if you don't wish to contribute positively towards the conversation. The poll will reflect your decision already.

Thank you for your input.
you have no problem socking raid mobs for 16 hours straight but wont for angry, ok. Just put in your time like everyone else. This is like the sad attempt people made to try to change scout roll because RNGsus doesn't favor them. Get over it already and get ready for the next roll.
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Old 06-18-2021, 11:52 PM
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You guys do realize that it doesn't say anywhere in the proposal what you can or can't do with your ring once you have completed the quest right? You would still be able to MQ your ring if you wanted to...
That's fine if the "Players may only win the roll once per character." were enforced, as either way they only get the one win. Ring isn't a BiS item (though it's obv very good for many classes), so makes sense for those that don't need it to be able to sell/allow someone else to skip the rolls.

The proposed agreement looks pretty reasonable for the intent, but a support staff rep does need to sign off on it too or else it's kind of pointless. Again, the current agreement works for all parties (aside from being collectively a monstrous waste of time), but the proposed agreement will just be a high-turnout shitshow if there are no repercussions for breaking the terms.
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Old 06-22-2021, 11:52 AM
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Orly? Who said this:



You were either lying then or you're lying now.



Exposing the hypocrisy and the ulterior motive of the person demanding changes is extremely relevant. You'll need to address the accusations and come clean before anybody can agree with you.
Maybe you should take a break. You're seeing shadows and inventing Machiavellian machinations where none exist. There are no "ulterior" motives other than to stop wasting time for the sake of wasting time.

This isn't a debate on your wild imaginations. If you can't contribute anything positive towards this conversation, then just continue posting in RNF and leave this conversation to the adults.

For everyone else, I appreciate your input.
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Old 06-22-2021, 12:05 PM
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That's fine if the "Players may only win the roll once per character." were enforced, as either way they only get the one win. Ring isn't a BiS item (though it's obv very good for many classes), so makes sense for those that don't need it to be able to sell/allow someone else to skip the rolls.

The proposed agreement looks pretty reasonable for the intent, but a support staff rep does need to sign off on it too or else it's kind of pointless. Again, the current agreement works for all parties (aside from being collectively a monstrous waste of time), but the proposed agreement will just be a high-turnout shitshow if there are no repercussions for breaking the terms.
If agreed upon by the player base and staff, it would become part of the PnP and any violations would fall under that. There would be teeth to this punishment for those that wish to attempt to subvert the agreement.

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Old 06-22-2021, 12:26 PM
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lol @ this con artist

bought and sold his ring MQ and is getting angry that he can't get angry

now nobody should get angry because he's angry
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Old 06-22-2021, 12:45 PM
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@Samoht

I see you do not possess the capability, composure, nor maturity to contribute to this topic and will no longer engage you to feed your ego.

Have a nice day.
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Old 06-22-2021, 12:45 PM
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biggest issue with this setup will be tracking the time of death. I think the variable spawn makes it hard to have a roll on window opening. One person fails to update the time of death, and then no one but that person knows the actual window for the next one. How will you deal with people showing up after the roll has taken place claiming to be on time for the window opening?
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Old 06-22-2021, 12:59 PM
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I see you do not possess the capability, composure, nor maturity to contribute to this topic and will no longer engage you to feed your ego.

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You cannot address the concerns. What happened to the ring you received when you bought your SWC MQ? Did you sell it? Or did the account already have SWC when you bought it so you don't know? Why do you deserve a second angry goblin ring when nobody else does? This request is obviously self-serving and greedy.
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Old 06-22-2021, 01:17 PM
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biggest issue with this setup will be tracking the time of death. I think the variable spawn makes it hard to have a roll on window opening. One person fails to update the time of death, and then no one but that person knows the actual window for the next one. How will you deal with people showing up after the roll has taken place claiming to be on time for the window opening?
This is an important piece of the puzzle and your concerns are valid. Initially, I believed updating the wiki to be the proper course of action, just like the Ring 8 roll. After discussing with several friends and guildies, I came to the conclusion that there is no accountability or log of this event. Placing trust in "the system" would almost certainly lead to corruption or just plain human fallacy by forgetting to update the wiki.

The only viable solution that provides both a log and accountability would be utilizing the Discord p99 Blue-General channel. First, anyone can update the winning roll player characters' name and there will be a timestamp, thus providing a clear and measurable "window" of the mob. Since the winning player's name would be logged, there would be a record to hold accountable that player if they chose not to update the ToD. Punishment for not updating the ToD by a player would be left up to the discretion of the CSR/GM's. This scenario self polices everyone involved. There will most certainly be other players spot checking or even camping the entire window in the hopes of sniping after the 1 hour spawn / fail to engage timer has started.

Keep in mind the goal of this proposal is two-fold:

1) Eliminate the combined hundreds of wasted hours by moving the winner of the roll to the beginning of the window instead of a sockfest.

2) Eliminate / Mitigate the ability of those that seek to corrupt this particular portion of the quest in an attempt to profit for profits' sake.

This proposal does not have anything to do with the Ring once you obtain it and you are free to do whatever you like with your Ring.
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