Cheating everywhere, GMs???

[Ringi]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've provided plenty of doubt. I'll include it again:

The video posted by OP includes some formulae that have no basis in known reality. Please prove the formulas are applicable to the case against Stunningly.

Hint: Just because you believe you can measure the ping of two different racers using FPS from a third racer doesn't make it true.

The video posted by OP includes a third party website that tests human reaction time to unrelated cues. Please prove the testing on this site is applicable to Stunningly's non-visual cues.

Hint: Just because you believe someone cannot have quick reaction time doesn't make it true.

To summarize, Riot wants Stunningly to be guilty of cheating, and they've provided fabricated evidence that frame him of guilt because it supports their belief that he's guilty.

The only reason I can think of that a person would accept such low standards of guilt is if they were involved with the production of the "evidence" which means your opinion is moot. You're biased because you want your story to be true, and here you are lashing out because someone smarter than you is here to tell you that it's not good enough.

That or there must be something in the Kool-Aid.

You come across as the kind of individual that thinks defending themselves in court is a good idea. Wish you the best man. Enjoy your autistic pixels.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue is, in the post-Kickenit-Script-Video world, we can no longer have any confidence in footraces as a fair means of competition, because they can be so easily cheated. The ease is undeniable at this point.

You are in favor of continuing to prop up a flawed system because it benefits you, I get it. It makes sense, in a utilitarian way.

So you're saying that Riot is losing and wants free pixels, so they made up a reason that they believe gives them leverage to demand more free pixels.

If it worked for Ring War, and it worked for lockouts in ToV, why wouldn't it work for Kael races?

In other words, just cry until daddy gives you want you want.

[Ringi]

Originally Posted by Nibblewitz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The GMs even implemented FTE messages that we have been using for 7 years. Don’t see this changing much on this server.

They've changed for sure. Your guild calls accidentals, has multiple FTEs, ignores everything and does whatever you want. You bend a break the rules and wonder why everyone else gets frustrated.

[Nibblewitz]

The server does make changes. When Riot couldn’t engage Takish until Vanquish killed Vulak, they squawked and got FTE lockouts changed.

When Riot abused Vulak blocker concessions, we got a concession timer.

Metas change and their corresponding rules need to be reinterpreted.

[Ringi]

Thank you for agreeing to the intent of this thread.

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Could you not test this theory with a /random 901 1000 and see if the roll triggers people into automatically running? Do /shout SCRIPTING TEST - NO SPAWN - DO NOT RUN and then pop the roll and watch the machines leap into action.

This has happened many times and I believe it's even on video somewhere. Racers enter from WL, run up to the line, start practice rolling until a 900+ is rolled then you see them immediately shoot off the line. They run almost to the wall straight in front of the race line then run back and reset.

[Smoofers]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This has happened many times and I believe it's even on video somewhere. Racers enter from WL, run up to the line, start practice rolling until a 900+ is rolled then you see them immediately shoot off the line. They run almost to the wall straight in front of the race line then run back and reset.

So... they're practicing

[Nibblewitz]

Originally Posted by Ringi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for agreeing to the intent of this thread.

No, OP tried to petition Stunningly for cheating. GMs didn’t find any evidence, but OP has nothing to show for 2 months of work lol so here we are.

[Ringi]

Originally Posted by Nibblewitz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, OP tried to petition Stunningly for cheating. GMs didn’t find any evidence, but OP has nothing to show for 2 months of work lol so here we are.

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there are two parallel issues here, which are being conflated.

1) Did/does Stunningly cheat by using some kind of script to begin the race when his log file registers a /random of 900+? This is, of course, not provable. The evidence for it presented by the OP in the video is, imo, persuasive because of the statistical analysis which calls into question how one person can so consistently perform at basically beyond-human reaction speed. Whether or not this is enough to punish Stunningly is ultimately a GM judgment call - presumably, since this very drama played out several months ago, it is not. This does not exonerate Stunningly - a finding of not guilty is not the same as actually being innocent.

2) Is it possible, generally, to cheat the start of races that have a /random roll off as the condition on which runners can go? This is shown unequivocally to be true. Kickenit demonstrated just how easy someone could cheat these races. All of the hand waiving and deflection doesn't change the fact that we know for certain that someone who wants to set up an automated start to get a good jump off the line can do so with very little difficulty. This is actually the more important of these two issues, as it calls into question the legitimacy not just of a single player, but of the method to competing for FTE itself.

Coth racing was removed because it *could* be cheated. The Badain turn in was changed because it *could* be cheated. Scout is a roll and not a clickfest because it *could* be cheated. Just because no one specific was ever penalized doesn't mean the cheating wasn't happening, and GM's aren't required to have 95%+ confidence variable statistical certainty to change how things operate.

This isn't necessarily justification for punishing Stunningly or Vanquish. It should be justification for getting rid of footraces in favor of almost anything else, though.

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're saying that Riot is losing and wants free pixels, so they made up a reason that they believe gives them leverage to demand more free pixels.

If it worked for Ring War, and it worked for lockouts in ToV, why wouldn't it work for Kael races?

In other words, just cry until daddy gives you want you want.

do you even actually read the words you write? your whole persona here is to mimic the worst sort of rhetorical strategies employed by the worst sorts of people. not exaggerating, the level of your discourse is more or less on the same plane as russian troll farms.

1 - that's not what I'm saying at all, and your refusal to actually engage with the critique on a substantive level speaks volumes about the weakness of your position. putting words in someone else's mouth so that you can strawman them is pretty rude, as well.

2 - lockouts in ToV were done away with years before Riot was a guild, what does that have to do with anything?

Kickent and Joria have demonstrated that anyone who wants to can easily cheat FTE footraces, and GM's are apparently unable to detect it enough to prevent it. That means at any given time, one or more racers could be cheating, since the bar to doing so is very low, as well as the risk of being caught. (query: why do you think the majority of racers are using bots these days, rather than personal toons? inb4 BuT StUNniNGLY iSnT a BOt). The fact that any number of people could be cheating the races means this is no longer a valid means of competition - it has no legitimacy if we can't have faith in its underlying fairness. To Nibble's point, this doesn't call into question the concept of FTE as the basis for determining who gets to kill a mob, but it does call into question footraces with a /random start as the means to compete for that FTE.

If you intend to defend this system, you have to come up with a compelling argument explaining why, in light of the fact that the races are so easily cheated, we should still have faith in a footrace as a fair contest to determine who wins FTE. Insulting other people and just saying "nuh uh" isn't going to cut it.