Is Donald Trump unintelligent or just dishonest?

[wts]

There are people in this thread who seem to be saying that because some urban myth was propagated about people celebrating in New Jersey when the WTC came down that a presidential candidate is under no greater responsibility to fact check those myths than the posters in this thread. There were some kids in New Jersey who committed vandalism and made asses of themselves because they got out of school early due to 9/11:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjzcWcas2Ss

That's it. If there were thousands and thousands of people celebrating the destruction of the WTC, don't you think there would be archival footage of it?

[creamypeanutbutter]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's no doubt he's at least moderately intelligent, but nothing special. If you look at the performance of his enterprises, and weigh it with the opportunities he had being born into enormous wealth, he's a very mediocre businessman at best. Honestly I'd be embarrassed to be Trump and campaign on the strength of my business acumen when I know deep down I'm a trust fund baby and there are people like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Larry Page out there with actual skill and vision.

He is dishonest. I can only guess how many illegal immigrants he has employed cleaning his hotels. He's not serious about fixing immigration. Build a wall? You can tell when someone isn't serious about fixing immigration when they propose something like that. A wall is powerful imagery, but it's ultimately extremely ineffective. Great Britain has the English fucking Channel and how well does that work for them? A wall also does nothing for the tens of millions that are already here, and trust me, Trump is not going to deport millions of people. States wouldn't cooperate, Congress wouldn't cooperate, and he has no realistic plan to fund such a massive operation. If you want to stop immigration, you have to target the employers that hire them. They don't come here for freedom, they come here for economic reasons, and if that impetus isn't there, they don't come. We saw that when immigration fell off a cliff during the great recession, and we see that as hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees bypass the Balkan states, Spain, and Italy, to get to the thriving socialist Nordic states.

But guess what? The employers are, by and large, the people who control the politicians, and they have a vested economic interest in retaining immigrant labor and the resulting wage depression. So the same thing will happen that has been happening for decades; politicians will make a lot of rhetoric about immigration, but they won't do anything that is actually effective, because their corporate owners don't want them to... even though real, substantive immigration reform has bipartisan support among your typical middle class white.

I still believe Trump was only running for this election to further his personal brand, as he did in the last election, and he was surprised by his success, which stemmed from the entire Republican field being extremely weak, without a single good candidate, and from wide bipartisan support for tough immigration rhetoric.

I agree with some of his rhetoric, but that's all it is... rhetoric. What you have left is a deeply toxic and negative person, which are qualities unfit for presidency.

I love you Lune. People like you give me hope for humanity.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by wts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

which has been categorically proven to be untrue.

That is simply not possible. It is fine to remain skeptical of the claim, but countering with impossibility does not lend weight to your argument. The burden of proof rests in the claimant's hands.

[Kyff]

Originally Posted by wts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok but he insists that thousands of people in New Jersey were cheering when the WTC towers came down, which has been categorically proven to be untrue.

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is simply not possible. It is fine to remain skeptical of the claim, but countering with impossibility does not lend weight to your argument. The burden of proof rests in the claimant's hands.

It's kind of hard to prove that a certain incident has not happened. Should he bring fgootage of entire New Jersey from dusk till dawn? Such a thing (hopefully) does not exist.

If reported correctly Mr. Trump has claimed that he saw it and has been there. So the onus should be on him to prove that the incident has indeed happened as he witnessed it. On the other hand I'm wondering why he was in New Jersey celebrating with thousands of muslims while his home city has been attacked.

[Stasis01]

Whether thousands of people were celebrating is irrelevant, a lot of people celebrated it in other countries as well and his point that a huge portion of muslims hate the US is not inaccurate.

All of this has nothing to do with why he is appealing and I could care less if he makes fun of a retard, bashes some fucking stupid religion, or talks out of his ass sometimes.

He's obviously competent at running a business, is willing to take on people who try to bully him and make him change, takes on the corrupt media and is self funding his campaign so he owes nobody nothing.

Will he make greesey deals to further himself? Probably, and I'm sure he wants to do this for his legacy, but his views are in line with most of mine about how we need to stick up for ourselves and our culture not just bow down to everyone.

The media is obviously out to try to destroy him in hugely biased debates, the stories they say are manipulated. I hate the entire politically correct fake politician system more than I like Trump.

It's mainly a fuck you to the fake bought off self serving establishment for me.

[Stasis01]

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Who is not sick of this garbage?

[Stasis01]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's no doubt he's at least moderately intelligent, but nothing special. If you look at the performance of his enterprises, and weigh it with the opportunities he had being born into enormous wealth, he's a very mediocre businessman at best. Honestly I'd be embarrassed to be Trump and campaign on the strength of my business acumen when I know deep down I'm a trust fund baby and there are people like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Larry Page out there with actual skill and vision.

He is dishonest. I can only guess how many illegal immigrants he has employed cleaning his hotels. He's not serious about fixing immigration. Build a wall? You can tell when someone isn't serious about fixing immigration when they propose something like that. A wall is powerful imagery, but it's ultimately extremely ineffective. Great Britain has the English fucking Channel and how well does that work for them? A wall also does nothing for the tens of millions that are already here, and trust me, Trump is not going to deport millions of people. States wouldn't cooperate, Congress wouldn't cooperate, and he has no realistic plan to fund such a massive operation. If you want to stop immigration, you have to target the employers that hire them. They don't come here for freedom, they come here for economic reasons, and if that impetus isn't there, they don't come. We saw that when immigration fell off a cliff during the great recession, and we see that as hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees bypass the Balkan states, Spain, and Italy, to get to the thriving socialist Nordic states.

But guess what? The employers are, by and large, the people who control the politicians, and they have a vested economic interest in retaining immigrant labor and the resulting wage depression. So the same thing will happen that has been happening for decades; politicians will make a lot of rhetoric about immigration, but they won't do anything that is actually effective, because their corporate owners don't want them to... even though real, substantive immigration reform has bipartisan support among your typical middle class white.

I still believe Trump was only running for this election to further his personal brand, as he did in the last election, and he was surprised by his success, which stemmed from the entire Republican field being extremely weak, without a single good candidate, and from wide bipartisan support for tough immigration rhetoric.

I agree with some of his rhetoric, but that's all it is... rhetoric. What you have left is a deeply toxic and negative person, which are qualities unfit for presidency.

I don't understand the logic that a wall doesn't work. An illegal immigrant comes in by plane and stays, they eventually get caught and are deported. They cannot fly into the country again, and airports have massive security. They can't get over an unprotected border, what is the move? I don't get that can someone enlighten me.

Second, the fact that Trump is calling out illegal aliens is probably a strategy to earn votes in the southern states that are affected by it personally and are mostly republican states? The fact that he has hired them or didn't use them is also irrelevant because the idea is right.

According to PJ Media, the Texas DPS report found that from October 2008 to April 2014, 177,588 "unique criminal alien defendants" were booked and committed 611,234 unique crimes, including 2,993 murders:

Are those statistics lies you guys figure?

An open border policy makes no sense to me I don't even see how that's politically incorrect to say, although he used that fact to get media attention early on which worked really well.

[James_Joyce]

Originally Posted by wts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok but he insists that thousands of people in New Jersey were cheering when the WTC towers came down, which has been categorically proven to be untrue. Also, what are your plans for Discord?

Here's a link for you ya disproving the laughable establishment narrative of the last few days, little monkey. I hope you were 8 years old or less in 2001 if you actually didn't remember this.

TRUMP 100% Vindicated: CBS Reports ‘Swarm’ On Rooftops Celebrating 9/11

Now switch the TV off, it's fucking up your mind.

[James_Joyce]

Originally Posted by wts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't really have a dog in this fight because I don't participate in the political process. Electronic voting machines cannot be audited, so democracy is the intellectual property of companies like Diebold that manufacture them and create the proprietary software that runs them. But you seem super invested.

"You're stupid for not being apathetic about the inevitable destruction of your ancestors' civilization." Fuck off back to blacked.com. Apathy was cute around the middle school lunch table.

[Hoozi]

He plays the media like a harp, they take the bait every time.