Riot kites then kills KT. Surprised no free Vulak after wiping on free attempt.

[remen]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Roselynas was guild removed for training wyverns at dagarn a few weeks back. how long before (former kittens officer) klaz is thrown under the bus?

This is completely incorrect. Whoever was your source of this information either was misinformed themself or just flat out lied to you. Take anything they tell you in the future with a giant grain of salt.

Originally Posted by tacomagradd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Get a bind sight class for this. Otherwise I guess we now need to have a person watching the person watching. Then your our will need to be watched by another one of your watchers. By the year 2025, the entire planet will be playing p99 and we just don't have the bandwidth for that. We'll all just delink.

There's a solid Better Off Ted episode about this.

https://youtu.be/lMy5YpJysy4?t=182

You guys don't send bind sight cameramen to our growth raids. You really can't capture all the views and angles looking through someone else's point of view. We strive for a high standard in the production quality of our fraps. Get some close ups, wide angle shots, panoramic views, etc...

[Twochain]

I skipped a few pages in this thread, and keep in mind i'm watching this video again today with my referee jersey on.

1. Of all the times that i've split mobs exactly where Riot/Kittens camp is, i've NEVER agro'd mobs that far. On top of that, I feel like that huge ramp breaks line of sight for the most part. For instance, an eyeball, (From my Anecdotal, non "i've tested these mechanics and i'm certain of it" opinion) at the top of that ramp will not agro mobs near the ramp to trips unless you go down the ramp. At the top, it never agros.

2. All the mobs run to the BACK of your raid, where I can all but Guarantee that if a train was flopped where it was, it wouldn't agro those players first.

3. I do not see a "Hitch" in agro. It looks like the train is dropped around Trips ramp. And IMMEDIATELY runs towards the BACK of your raid. Actually. Looking at this further, It looks like there are 3-4 mobs that drop agro, at around the 40-43 second mark. Then the entire train comes down from trips, agros the mobs that are dropped, and they all come towards your raid. Those mobs from trips Almost absolutely look like they were agro'd on someone in the back of your raid.

4. I don't believe that it would be possible for someone to flop that train at the bottom of the ramp and for the train to behave the way it did without prior agro. What class is Darmai? Looks like they were the first person attacked in that train. (51-52, Darmai gets double back stabbed for 2300 damage+ oof)

[Horza]

Originally Posted by tacomagradd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Get a bind sight class for this. Otherwise I guess we now need to have a person watching the person watching. Then your our will need to be watched by another one of your watchers. By the year 2025, the entire planet will be playing p99 and we just don't have the bandwidth for that. We'll all just delink.

There's a solid Better Off Ted episode about this.

https://youtu.be/lMy5YpJysy4?t=182

This is derivative of the PKD novel A Scanner Darkly.

[Twochain]

Also............

Why are we not racing for vulak with lockouts? LMAO. I can't believe people would rather deal with shit like this every single time there is a competitive Vulak... because Hurrrrr MaRiO KaRt???

Yeah racing wasn't classic. Neither was having two forces with 100 members each squaring off for a rooted Vulak every week. How many man hours have been spent on this petition by all three guilds + the forums looking at this shit... when it could have been settled in a 3 minute race?

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

4. I don't believe that it would be possible for someone to flop that train at the bottom of the ramp and for the train to behave the way it did without prior agro. What class is Darmai? Looks like they were the first person attacked in that train. (51-52, Darmai gets double back stabbed for 2300 damage+ oof)

This the easiest to answer - darmai is an enchanter, and he did cycle camp after mobs were brought partially up the ramp, which led to call for cycle camp.

From my vantage nearby, i didn't think the mobs got up the ramp far enough to aggro any of our raid at the top. none of our raid was down the ramp at any time, we gave the vanq trainaway and kite plenty of room.

if you all skate on this one because the OBS isn't clear enough, that's just the way the cookie crumbles I guess. I hope at least internally you all recognize that either klaz intentionally trained us, or made a serious error that resulted in the same, and that in either case regardless of the public fronting that's wrong. Not holding my breath, though.

[Awweshux]

Seems clear that what happened is:

1) Klaz runs up ramp and FD; probably was "oh shit" seeing R camped there but FD land so ok

2) Riot ppl are at edge of ramp

3) As clearly stated in the fraps, R ppl did not cycle camp

4) Fraps shows R ppl too close to edge of ramp so in danger of aggro FD'd train

5) Once R ppl get aggro, merbs AoE and break Klaz FD; he tries to FD again but dies w/ R


That is all.

Eschew Obfuscation, 60 Dru

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This the easiest to answer - darmai is an enchanter, and he did cycle camp after mobs were brought partially up the ramp, which led to call for cycle camp.

From my vantage nearby, i didn't think the mobs got up the ramp far enough to aggro any of our raid at the top. none of our raid was down the ramp at any time, we gave the vanq trainaway and kite plenty of room.

if you all skate on this one because the OBS isn't clear enough, that's just the way the cookie crumbles I guess. I hope at least internally you all recognize that either klaz intentionally trained us, or made a serious error that resulted in the same, and that in either case regardless of the public fronting that's wrong. Not holding my breath, though.

Okay so from what I now understand, you guys claim that Klaz was at the back of your camp. How far from the camp would he be? Also I don't see in the fraps where he runs up the ramp to join your camp? Do ya'll have that part?

If he was in your camp, i'd expect the train to kill him pretty quickly. As he WOULD have more agro into the kite than your whole raid. In my opinion, as soon as Aoe's went out (which a shit load would go out right away) He would likely be one of the first 5 people who died.

Now on to the enchanter who died first. If he cycled camp, did he cast Rune 5 on people? If he casted Rune on somebody who did not cycle, that would absolutely explain why the train b lines it to the back and kills him first. VoG/C2 probably wouldn't put him that high on the agro table comparatively speaking, to say a cleric casting aego, etc. These are important things to consider. If he camped, logged back in, and sat there afk not casting a single thing on a single player, that's important to know.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay so from what I now understand, you guys claim that Klaz was at the back of your camp. How far from the camp would he be? Also I don't see in the fraps where he runs up the ramp to join your camp? Do ya'll have that part?

Here's the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuTFbTn4SY8

I asked them to link it last night, but they refused because they'd rather be obstinate jerks than actually provide evidence. Whatever.

Video shows Klaz run up the ramp. A loonnggg time later, train comes up. Assist is on someone named Hoyi, though, not Klaz.

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now on to the enchanter who died first. If he cycled camp, did he cast Rune 5 on people? If he casted Rune on somebody who did not cycle, that would absolutely explain why the train b lines it to the back and kills him first. VoG/C2 probably wouldn't put him that high on the agro table comparatively speaking, to say a cleric casting aego, etc. These are important things to consider. If he camped, logged back in, and sat there afk not casting a single thing on a single player, that's important to know.

The answer to why it attacked Darmai is in their previous post:

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This the easiest to answer - darmai is an enchanter, and he did cycle camp after mobs were brought partially up the ramp, which led to call for cycle camp.

If this is true, then he had the highest GUID on the players in zone table. I thought maybe Klaz had previously /q out and that would explain why it would attack him as early as it did. Here's the explanation:

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you log in to a zone, you are assigned a new GUID when added to the table of players in the zone. NPCs will aggro the player with the highest GUID when no players have threat and there are multiple players in range.

If Darmai cycled camp, this is why it went for him first.

[Samoht]

Question: What class is Hoyi? And if they're not an FD class, what order did they die in?

[tacomagradd]

At 1:51 of that video you can see at least 4 flurries attack 4 different people. Those four people didn't all pull agro after it all reset. They had the train dropped on them from Klaz, who stood up and feigned it back on top of them. If it was just Hoyi, or just Darmai, or a GUID number issue, then I don't see the mobs having 4 different targets.

I don't have any confidence that you are convincible, yet here I am.