Concerning cameras

[JesterMcgee]

I just want to be able to steer with my mouse without getting motion sick from the swinging animation.

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by flacidpenguin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Play in first person for the classic feel, it's easier for you to just not scroll out than for them to deeply modify the client camera system.

This blueb dies from trains on the daily

[soronil]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything but the mouse wheel scroll was classic in my memory.

September 25, 2001 3:00 am
Mouselook will now work a little differently when in the first two
third-person camera modes (overhead and chase). They will work similarly to first-person mouselook (i.e. your character's heading will change when you move the mouse left or right, the left and right movement keys will cause your player to strafe, and the camera angle will pitch up or down when you move the mouse forward or back). These changes should make those first two third-person camera modes more useful.

Third person camera sucked for over 2 years, that's why most people used first person a lot.

In this post, Secrets mentioned he may try to help recreate classic 3rd person, not sure if he wound up working on it at all
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=116

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds like something I'll cook up this weekend and submit for Green.

I know exactly the situation this is referencing. Would be great to have it era locked.

[Ashenden]

Didn't Haynar say he found a way to disable mousewheel 3rd person? Something that would add a ton to Green, no matter how much Bluebies might cry about it.

EQ needs all the difficulty you can add to it.

[zaneosak]

Ive been using first person as much as possible because it's what I did back in the day. 3rd Person I only used for screenshots but blue has spoiled me. I use 3rd person on green to check corners, if I wasnt able to. I'd be cool with it !

[Tecmos Deception]

September 25, 2001 3:00 am
Mouselook will now work a little differently when in the first two
third-person camera modes (overhead and chase). They will work similarly to first-person mouselook (i.e. your character's heading will change when you move the mouse left or right, the left and right movement keys will cause your player to strafe, and the camera angle will pitch up or down when you move the mouse forward or back). These changes should make those first two third-person camera modes more useful.

I don't know how they're supposed to work, but currently on beta, mouselook in these views does NOT let you change camera angle.

[omgmo]

I'd prefer they remove advantages like this, no matter how arguably small (though imo this is a pretty big advantage). People will claim "don't use it if you don't like it", but there's something gnawing about having an advantage there that other people are using, compelling me to use it so that I'm on par with everyone else. It's just not the same, playing in my own little bubble; gotta be a shared experience imo.

[El-Hefe]

Originally Posted by omgmo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd prefer they remove advantages like this, no matter how arguably small (though imo this is a pretty big advantage). People will claim "don't use it if you don't like it", but there's something gnawing about having an advantage there that other people are using, compelling me to use it so that I'm on par with everyone else. It's just not the same, playing in my own little bubble; gotta be a shared experience imo.

Kind of reminds me of people who downplay how fun Green is going to be by saying “YoU caN alReAdY PlaY wIThout TwInkinG oN BlUe!” completely ignoring that being the only person in a group on Blue that doesn’t have 50k worth of gear still isn’t as fun as rolling with a group of traditionally geared players.

[Verityn]

At the very least I kind of wish I could disable it or change the hotkey to zoom out to 3rd person. I find myself scrolling down by accident a lot like when I'm frantically trying to survive something or when I move my mouse over to a website and scroll down.

[soronil]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know how they're supposed to work, but currently on beta, mouselook in these views does NOT let you change camera angle.

Not sure what's wrong with your client, but my green beta client behaves exactly as blue has always behaved:
Mousewheel zoom out.
Mouselook (hold right mouse button) + move mouse left / right = heading changes
Mouselook (hold right mouse button) + move mouse up / down = camera angle changes
Mouselook (hold right mouse button) + keyboard left / right = strafe

This is the EXACT behavior that the patch notes descibe as being introduced in 2001. It is not classic and it makes the game MUCH easier, because:

3rd person gives you more situational awareness
classic 3rd person had the disadvantage of being very clunky to control

So in classic, 1st person vs 3rd person is a trade off. Many people played 1st person. The way p99 is now, 3rd person is really superior for all but immersion.