Stop enabling assholes

[Ripqozko]

PS does know they are the side bitch right? You'll get replaced like BG soon enough.

[Baylan295]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doze wasn't facerolled. You really don't understand what happened to us on that engage it seems. Doze was down to 80% when 1 guildie trained pit mobs on the raid by being outside the door. Learn what is happening on raids then talk.

Which wipe are you talking about?

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Baylan295 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which wipe are you talking about?

There was only 1 wipe. A wipe is when your entire raid force dies. It is funny to me that you don't know what happened on that Doze.

[Baylan295]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There was only 1 wipe. A wipe is when your entire raid force dies. It is funny to me that you don't know what happened on that Doze.

I mean, there was an entire second force that went in after fresh FTE’s went out. So - whatever.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Baylan295 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, there was an entire second force that went in after fresh FTE’s went out. So - whatever.

Uh you thing the people that slowed Doze and died at the start was a "force" ? Interesting understanding of what happened during all that. So cute these new Everquest players.

[Lordgordon]

Loot council

[Baylan295]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Uh you thing the people that slowed Doze and died at the start was a "force" ? Interesting understanding of what happened during all that. So cute these new Everquest players.

Well, if you weren’t trying to kill it with FTE, it’s probably a stall. There were tanks and clerics CHing, so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn’t FTE a mob and keep it engaged without the intention of killing it.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Baylan295 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, if you weren’t trying to kill it with FTE, it’s probably a stall. There were tanks and clerics CHing, so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn’t FTE a mob and keep it engaged without the intention of killing it.

Your ignorance continues to shine through here. Let's go in order.

1. Claims a guild wiped twice within 7 minutes. Gets corrected that for a wipe to occur the entire guild has to die on the engage.

2. Claims 12 people tanking Dozekar is a "force".

3. Claims if they weren't intending to kill the mob that it is a stall. Aftermath clearly had every intention of killing the mob. Hence it's HP constantly going down the entire time they were engaged on it.

Someone teach this kid what an actual stall is so he can file his petitions accordingly.

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by Arcler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think people have the same definition of leapfrogging.

Two entities attempting to clear to a target -- with one engaging target + 2/3 guards/trash mobs before the other one does is not really a leapfrog. That's a race.
Just like in Plane of Fear - when guilds are all trying to clear trash, and then engaging CT before anyone else can. That's a race.

It's different if you let another entity spend an hour clearing fear and then run in and engage CT right before they were about to engage after they cleared the rest of the zone. That's a leapfrog.

Or let someone else clear all the trash in PoG, and then rush in to engage Tunare before they can. That's a leapfrog.

So, two forces both moving and clearing to a target, both attempting to figure out how to engage the target with potential adds and how to do it as fast as possible (and before the other team). That's a race.

But you know, when another entity clears every trash mob between safe spot and the dragon, including his guards and then another guild rushes in -- well, that's pretty froggy.

You have to be pretty entitled to assume that everything is yours and so anytime someone else engages first they must be leapfrogging you, rather then, y'know, an actual leapfrog where you let someone clear every other mob so you can have a fresh and clean engage.

Also, for the record, the Kreizenn attempt wasn't 4 guilds, but 3 (PS was not a part of it) and the 3-guild force still had a lot less people (total) then the AM force.

Centralized (one guild) and decentralized (multiple guilds) command structures and operations both have their advantages and disadvantages. Depending on the situation, one will do better then the other, and vice-versa.

^ That's legit.

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your ignorance continues to shine through here. Let's go in order.

1. Claims a guild wiped twice within 7 minutes. Gets corrected that for a wipe to occur the entire guild has to die on the engage.

2. Claims 12 people tanking Dozekar is a "force".

3. Claims if they weren't intending to kill the mob that it is a stall. Aftermath clearly had every intention of killing the mob. Hence it's HP constantly going down the entire time they were engaged on it.

Someone teach this kid what an actual stall is so he can file his petitions accordingly.

So let me get this straight.

You had multiple groups, the definition of a raid, FTE the mob. Your raid was attempting to kill the mob. Then your raid died and the mob didn't.

And you're trying to argue that isn't a wipe? Please continue, this is hilarious.