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Old 11-16-2019, 10:36 AM
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and yet come luclin and pop every single ench (warning: a generalization) was charming. maybe this is cause people 'figured it out' and it became more known about on these forums you mention. i personally learnt to charm from a guildie teaching me.

now we see it everywhere based on past knowledge.

please tell me what you think about shamans im keen to hear.
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Old 11-16-2019, 10:43 AM
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I'm gonna be that guy: where's your proof? Your memory is unreliable
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Old 11-16-2019, 10:44 AM
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Let's assume that only 5% of EQ players back in the day would be considered skilled by modern standards. And then let's assume that on P1999, with the advantage of twenty years of knowledge, 50% of players are skilled (this is being quite generous).

Even with these assumptions, the idea that classic-era players wouldn't have figured out how to exploit charm is preposterous simply due to population numbers.

Classic era active population was approximately 300,000 players.

P1999 active population is approximately 3,000 players.

5% x 300,000 = 15,000 skilled players

50% x 3,000 = 1,500 skilled players

So even if we have 10x the amount of skilled players on P1999 compared to the classic era live servers, the sheer classic population numbers dictate that they had 10x as many skilled players overall.

Also keep in mind that in the classic era EVERY SINGLE CLASS had a dedicated forum/message board where the strategies, spells, abilities, mechanics, etc... of that class were HEAVILY discussed and shared. If Charm had been discovered as OP by even a single skilled player back then, that knowledge would have been discussed exhaustively on the class forums and then spread widely through the entire community.
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Old 11-16-2019, 10:50 AM
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anyone claiming everyone back on live was retarded is a bad faith actor, it's not believable and they just want the shit to stay broken
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Old 11-16-2019, 10:51 AM
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I think they should provide proof that charm worked on live the way it does on p99
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Old 11-16-2019, 10:51 AM
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so a couple of things.

skilled today =/= skilled then.

the skill level is variable. there is really know way to accurately state skill level people played at, but i will just ask... were you playing the game in 1999 EXACTLY the same way you play now? if not, then why is it not fair to say the same can be said for most other people?

why are raid mobs so easy now but were considered a challenge back then? how long did emp take to be killed? what a month of emp 8 hours a day? now it's 1 shot every time. why is that? RZ? council?
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Old 11-16-2019, 10:55 AM
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anyone claiming everyone back on live was retarded is a bad faith actor, it's not believable and they just want the shit to stay broken
charm aside, what zones were popular exp spots back in your day? was it only befallen, guk, unrest, lguk ? or did people exp everywhere? why is that?
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Old 11-16-2019, 11:01 AM
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charm aside, what zones were popular exp spots back in your day? was it only befallen, guk, unrest, lguk ? or did people exp everywhere? why is that?
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Old 11-16-2019, 11:15 AM
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I get that people played a lot back then but to think the meta hasn't evolved for each and every little thing over 10 years of p99 is ignant too. Remember actual classic was not around for very long in comparison. Case in point more ppl play enc and charm grind now than they did on p99 8 years ago. Source: memory

There was always a cabal of knowed explorers in eq that were rumored to have buttered up gms for epic quest explanations etc. There were also a small set of hackers doing things no one else could. The top efficiency methods in the game have always been about knowledge and borderline cheating, but the reality is *most* players weren't in the know. We also didn't care to be or even know we weren't because we played eq to play eq. It was a different time in gaming.

Tldr : actual full kit charm grinding could have been under our noses and mainstream ppl just believed an enc exclusive job was to mez and hang out in groups
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Old 11-16-2019, 11:24 AM
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But...why is there no proof....
Verant was pretty hardcore about hiding numbers and mechanics back in the day.
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