Want to Start a Rogue and Just want to Make Sure I Understand a Couple Things

[AEH84]

Thanks all, these answers were very helpful.

The one thing I’ll mention regarding the weapons, and I’m not sure most longtime players realize, is apart from budget, availability of a lot of these items is also a pretty limiting factor. For example, the only item mentioned in this thread that I’ve seen for sale in the tunnel, on the general discord, the guild discords, and the sub forum here in the last week is the croaking dirk. I’d snap buy a chokidai fang, frozen shard, or small dragonbone shard. I have about 20k to spend and the best I see available is a croaking dirk and crystalline short sword.

[Snaggles]

Considering rogues with 13/30’s in classic were basically gods a croaking dirk + anything is great. Get a Chokidai fang as well if you do a lot of grouping. Save for the epic because at 46 “game changer” is an understatement.

[Baldwooky]

If I'm not mistaken, starting stamina scales higher than equipment added stamina.
So the gains from stamina at the start are seen more than other stats from equipment might add.

100hp is kinda alot in the end. STR is pretty easily maxxed, even on a gnome.

[Snaggles]

It is and it isn’t. It’s half a wort pot click. I’d take it over agility or dex but seldom does the game come down to that last 100hps unless you’re in a CH chain. If I ever had unmaxed str (outside self buffs) with a melee dps I’d feel gross. There are situations you might have resist gear on that doesn’t have str. So end gear, it doesn’t matter, but for many people it does.

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is and it isn’t. It’s half a wort pot click. I’d take it over agility or dex but seldom does the game come down to that last 100hps unless you’re in a CH chain. If I ever had unmaxed str (outside self buffs) with a melee dps I’d feel gross. There are situations you might have resist gear on that doesn’t have str. So end gear, it doesn’t matter, but for many people it does.

Gearing to max str at the cost of sta in a world where when it really matters you'll have focus anyways is dumb. Dead melee do zero dps. Dump all those points into stam and don't ever look back.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gearing to max str at the cost of sta in a world where when it really matters you'll have focus anyways is dumb. Dead melee do zero dps. Dump all those points into stam and don't ever look back.

Yea but this isn’t an end gear thread. It’s about someone who has some twink money and hasn’t played the class. Much of this game isn’t tracking down that 3rd BiS slow. It’s duos/trios and leveling up while carrying fine steel to vendor. That’s like saying having tash sticks is stupid because you always have an enchanter. Slow proc weapons too.

Besides suspending blood aggro 100hps it doesn’t really matter. If you don’t care at all it will have an effect when you’re 800hp down over another player. That said, my ranger seldom ever dies unless bumping. I’m quick on worts, mystic cloak clicks, and ducking for heals though. On a casual raid level if you are wearing jewelry and not str capped on a rogue it’s worse than lacking 100hps.

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea but this isn’t an end gear thread. It’s about someone who has some twink money and hasn’t played the class. Much of this game isn’t tracking down that 3rd BiS slow. It’s duos/trios and leveling up while carrying fine steel to vendor. That’s like saying having tash sticks is stupid because you always have an enchanter. Slow proc weapons too.

Besides suspending blood aggro 100hps it doesn’t really matter. If you don’t care at all it will have an effect when you’re 800hp down over another player. That said, my ranger seldom ever dies unless bumping. I’m quick on worts, mystic cloak clicks, and ducking for heals though. On a casual raid level if you are wearing jewelry and not str capped on a rogue it’s worse than lacking 100hps.

I get what you're saying but I don't follow your logic. If being casual means that 100hps doesn't really matter than neither does being str capped. At the very least putting all those points into stamina gives you some leeway to gear more towards str. Starting points are free, most gear that has stamina on it costs a lot more than gear without it. Case in point Crystal Chitin Gauntlets vs Gauntlets of Fiery Might.

So from an endgame and economical standpoint I'd rather put all starting points into stam to make gearing cheaper and more flexible while retaining those hps if I do decide to take the jump into raiding.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I agree that they should put their points into STA. STR is easy to cap in Velious even without BiS gear or a Primal.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Spider_Fur_Collar +07 STR
https://wiki.project1999.com/Haze_Panther_Skullcap +10 STR
https://wiki.project1999.com/Dark_Scale_Sleeves +10 STR
https://wiki.project1999.com/Gauntlets_of_Potence +15 STR
https://wiki.project1999.com/Thick_Banded_Belt +15 STR
https://wiki.project1999.com/Tribal_War_Mask +07 STR
https://wiki.project1999.com/Mithril_Greaves +07 STR
https://wiki.project1999.com/Haze_Panther_Boots +08 STR
https://wiki.project1999.com/Haze_Panther_Shoulderpads +07 STR
https://wiki.project1999.com/Silver_Chitin_Wristband +14 STR for 2x

With these items, which are all purchasable in EC, you can get +100 STR on your gnome. You still have room for CoF and Fungi. With 160 STR you will be capped at 255 with Maniacal Strength + FoS. You get a total of 135 STR from those two buffs, so you will be 40 STR over what these items give you, which means you still have flexibility on gear I showed above, and I didn't even provide an item for all slots.

[Crede]

You'll never notice sta. Unless you are one of those people who says "I can't stand staring at 2.9k hp, I need 3k hp!"

Just go str, you can feel it all the way up, and not having to rely on buffs sitting at max str is a great feeling, which will also allow you to swap in other resist gear to more easily keep max str.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You'll never notice sta. Unless you are one of those people who says "I can't stand staring at 2.9k hp, I need 3k hp!"

Just go str, you can feel it all the way up, and not having to rely on buffs sitting at max str is a great feeling, which will also allow you to swap in other resist gear to more easily keep max str.

You won't really notice the STR either, unless you are starting off with no twink funds. OP has 20k, so they have plenty of money to get enough STR to carry everything. I have a decently twinked Gnome Warrior, total item value in the 20k range, and I have like 140 STR without really trying. Starting stats were put into STA.

If we were talking about a Rogue who is 100% self found with no starting money/items, then you would have a STRONGER argument hehe. Having 60 strength and no gear can be rough in the lower levels.

Min/Max requires you to quantify what your character looks like at level 60, because stats don't give you much in the lower levels. If OP plays his Rogue up to level 30 and gets bored, starting stats wouldn't have mattered anyway. Not saying OP is overly concerned with Min/Max by the sound of it, but if you are worried about stats, you are thinking about the long game.