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This is a lot of arguing over something pretty pointless
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you can't minmax without a goal to achieve, there is no intrinsic goal you are given in EQ. you have to actually minmax 'for' something, some sort of task or challenge. there's no main quest or achievement list. the closest thing is getting to max level, which barbarians do fastest. getting BiS is another 'obvious' goal which is just time spent raiding, again barbarians win.
if you can kill a mob as an ogre shaman as well as a barbarian shaman, the barbarian shaman is the minmax option because you can do it sooner, since both kill at the same rate, and there's no mob in the game one can kill but the other can't. a race that takes a penalty to experience in return for a benefit that doesn't translate to killing speed or killing ability is just something you pick for vanity. it's not like iksar monks, who get a huge advantage in regen which helps while xping, or mage, where gnomes can coth effectively while the other races need shrinks. | ||
Last edited by fortior; 01-18-2024 at 09:35 PM..
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By admitting Iksar Monks are clearly better than Human Monks, you admit there is an objective best racial for different race/class combinations. You can't have it both ways and say that Shamans don't also have an objective best racial. You know the definition of Min/Max subconsciously, because you understand Iksar Monks are objectively better than Human Monks. This Min/Max definition is the default definition for all games like Everquest. The default Min/Max definition is to create the best character you can. This means a character that will perform better than it's alternatives when you are level 60 with max gear and all your spells. This is why Iksar Monks are objectively better than Human Monks, because a level 60 BiS Iksar Monk will still have Racial Regeneration, while a level 60 BiS Human Monk would not. I am not sure why this is so difficult, the Min/Max definition for games like Everquest hasn't changed, and Everquest came out in 1999.
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Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 01-18-2024 at 10:18 PM..
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disregarding xp maluses as irrelevant is spherical cow stuff, if you do it you basically don't know anything about the game or p99's version of it. P99 is a very competitive classic EQ box, speed is king. if there are two options, and one levels faster, and both can do the same content, the faster option is better You can't say one race performs better than another when there is no content in the game that distinguishes between them, i.e. which one race can do but another can't. my iksar monk can solo things my human monk can't at similar gear levels, it's not the same situation (since the difference is just a bunch of hp regen and ac on a melee) | |||
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Your argument that "it isn't significant" is irrelevant. 2% is better than 1%, just like 50% is better than 30%. This is an objective truth regardless of the difference in percentages.
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Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 01-18-2024 at 10:44 PM..
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of course some racials have more impact than others, but you don't pick racials, you pick a race and a class. looking at the strength of individual racials is pointless, they're package deals. and the fact is that every shaman package you can pick has the same upper bound of potential, limited more by gear and levels than race, as you can see from the solo artist leaderboard.
essentially it's like spending more money on a faster car only to drive the exact same speed limit as a cheaper car. if there is nothing in game hard enough to demand the supposed advantage ogres have, that advantage doesn't exist. | ||
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I am not sure why you are bothered by this. I am just giving people the facts as to which racial bonus is objectively the best for Shamans. Let people who want to Min/Max enjoy the game too lol. Knowledge is power. Let people know which racial bonus is objectively the best for a specific class, and then they can decide which race works best for them. Plenty of people don't care if they pick a suboptimal race. There is nothing wrong with that. But if someone wants to Min/Max specifically, they need information like which racial is the best for a given class.
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