What's the deal with shcool teachers?

[FatherSioux]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Teachers are kind of important in a society, used car salesmen are not

Hope this helps

Used car salesmen can teach. Teachers can sell used cars. Literally no one thinks teachers aren’t important.

[Patriam1066]

Teaching should pay $100,000 and they should be permitted to strike children and unruly parents

And the obese
Patriam2020

[FatherSioux]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Teaching should pay $100,000 and they should be permitted to strike children and unruly parents

And the obese
Patriam2020

Start at 100k? No.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Used car salesmen can teach. Teachers can sell used cars. Literally no one thinks teachers aren’t important.

This is the type of word problem a generation raised by conservative policy thinks is intelligent.

WELCOME TO COSTCO I LOVE YOU

[FatherSioux]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WELCOME TO COSTCO I LOVE YOU

Explain your dark arts sir, how did you know I was intelligent and raised conservative based on my fun logic trick?

Costco > Sams

[Jibartik]

All Americans live under the educational system organized and managed by the republican party, democrats have done nothing but lose in that arena for 40 years.

The american education system has been under attack by republicans since Nixon.

[Gwaihir]

You could pay teachers 200k/year and they'd still be poor, albeit they would have the newest IPhone(R) and a new Macbook(R), a Tesla(R), and a Tesla(R) Charging Bay installed in the garage of their rental condo, as well as a freshly crafted Starbucks (TM) on their desk every day.

Hope this helps.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You could pay teachers 200k/year and they'd still be poor, albeit they would have the newest IPhone(R) and a new Macbook(R), a Tesla(R), and a Tesla(R) Charging Bay installed in the garage of their rental condo, as well as a freshly crafted Starbucks (TM) on their desk every day.

Hope this helps.

Not if we had economics programs starting at grade 1 but having a rational debate about education is not something that can even be done anymore thanks to the war on education that's been going on for longer than anyone reading this has been alive.

Edit: seriously we were counting beans at grade 1 why cant we count pennies? I mean other than we cant count anymore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Kief]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All Americans live under the educational system organized and managed by the republican party, democrats have done nothing but lose in that arena for 40 years.

The american education system has been under attack by republicans since Nixon.

If you truly believe either party has a difference in the fundamental direction they are guiding everyone toward - you haven't been paying attention.

Regardless of the party - the same principalities are run over and over again.

It's the illusion of choice.

Here's 3 hours worth of documentation by Aaron and Melissa Dykes that is mind blowing and well worth the watch. And it really only is the tip of the iceberg so to speak.

"The Minds of Men" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQucESRF3Sg

All sourced. All documented. All verifiable.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Start at 100k? No.

In my area starting salary for a teacher with masters is just short of 90k (not including benefits package)...this is also the largest school district in the USA (New York City). If you include benefits the starting salary easily surpasses 100k...not considering that you have three months each year to pursue other income, if you desire (summers off).

The myth that teachers are poor is a lie...underpaid? maybe. But not poor by any objective standard of poverty.

The real cause of the unfair pay is, ironically, the marriage of teachers' unions to equal pay (on a schedule based on degree and experience --- and not outcomes). When everyone earns the exact same amount no matter how hard or how successful they are you breed apathy, inefficiency and incompetence (especially when teachers also, thanks to unions, have a property right to their job making it almost economically impossible to fire a teacher for poor performance).

I do believe that many real teachers suffer from being paid less than the market value of their work --- based on comparable professions with similar levels of required education and ability. The reasons for this aren't that teachers are unimportant or that society doesn't value them. Every place I've ever worked has always treated teachers with professional and social respect for the job they do with our children...the cause of it lies elsewhere, in my opinion.

If teachers ever want to tap into the power of the free market to produce better education and higher pay (for successful teachers only) they need decouple the profession from one of the most powerful unions in our country. At the very least, the unions would need to understand that many of their long advocated demands are no longer as relevant in 2020 as they were 60 years ago. This change is slow, and made virtually no progress in the last 10 years.