JBB, is it really that good?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love shaman so much I have a level 30 shaman of each race. Two barbarians, one male and one female.

You also were saying not to bind wound or something in another post. You crazy man

I am glad you love the class! You should experiment with JBB then, so you can figure out when it is useful. It sounds like you haven't used the item enough, perhaps due to playing a lot of lower level Shamans. Assuming a mana free Nuke is useless on a class that needs more spell slots is a strange idea.

I am not sure what post you are referring to about Bind Wound. You might be thinking of someone else. It's a good skill to use! Shamans can wield https://wiki.project1999.com/Embalmers_Skinning_Knife , so you'll certainly get utility out of the skill. You won't really use it once you hit 60 and get Torpor, but Bind Wound is good when leveling.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Kawhi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This whole thread is just about people with different death risk tolerances, right?

Like if you want to give yourself the best chances of dropping a rare mob with a guaranteed drop, you might want to make sure your health stays above X% at all times and it might make sense to JBB more.

If you're farming a common mob with a rare drop, then you probably want to churn through them faster and so you're going to dot and canni more.

Either option is fine depending on what risk/reward you are going for.

What am I missing?

It's not kill speed, it's being able to do other stuff while your dps is on a timer rather than a recycling click. Also, every time you stop clicking the bracer, your dps drops. Even one torp and two canni's then click again it's not a 8 second click it's a 19 second click (or 14dps). For sake of discussion though, the opportunity cost of a JBB click is almost 3x canni4's with a GCD click.

Bane is a 5 second cast, it does 1648 damage in 42 seconds, it's 39dps and is one click. For a class that survives mainly by canni/torp dancing and balancing hps in with hps out and maintaining mana the idea of stopping making health or mana to lock yourself into a bracer-click dance is the anthesis of efficiency. And again, if you arent clicking every 8 seconds it's not 33 dps.

In a perfect world, I get it, using mana to do dps when you can just save it to heal isnt ideal. You need to debuff though so that's mana. And even 200mana for Torp will slowly drain your blue bar. What works with a monk-shaman-duo doesn't work properly when you're getting hit and the DD is breaking root.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I provided multiple videos for you. You can take a look at them and maybe try to learn something instead of being snarky. The videos show the same exact thing the logs do and more. You can see my HP, Mana and what was happening.

No, what a log shows is a second-by-second account of your casts, spell effects, and spells wearing off. You know this, but you dont want to post it knowing people would tear it apart.

Assuming anyone would take the time to care after page 30 when apathy has become petrified.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, what a log shows is a second-by-second account of your casts, spell effects, and spells wearing off. You know this, but you dont want to post it knowing people would tear it apart.

Assuming anyone would take the time to care after page 30 when apathy has become petrified.

The sad thing is if you had watched the video, you would know the logs are posted in the video description. If you can't even bother to watch the video, you probably aren't going to be able to parse the logs in a meaningful way. Hopefully I am wrong, and you actually post something useful for once.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The sad thing is if you had watched the video, you would know the logs are posted in the video description. If you can't even bother to watch the video, you probably aren't going to be able to parse the logs in a meaningful way. Hopefully I am wrong, and you actually post something useful for once.

You literally just posted this:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not sure what post you are referring to about Bind Wound. You might be thinking of someone else. It's a good skill to use! Shamans can wield https://wiki.project1999.com/Embalmers_Skinning_Knife , so you'll certainly get utility out of the skill. You won't really use it once you hit 60 and get Torpor, but Bind Wound is good when leveling.

Who would canni-dance when they could melee for bandages, bind wound, and inefficiently canni1 away those hps? Brilliant, please put that in your guide.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You literally just posted this:
Who would canni-dance when they could melee for bandages, bind wound, and inefficiently canni1 away those hps? Brilliant, please put that in your guide.

Before you get Torpor you won't be able to cannibalize as often, due to running out of HP. Not really sure why that is a hard concept. If your Mana is at a good level but your HP is low, you can Bind Wound instead of using healing spells to save mana. Some players also do not have a Fungi Tunic, Ceremonial Iksar Chestplate, Fungi Staff, etc. Not all players are Trolls/Iksars.

I always advise people to canni dance. If you are canni dancing as a level 40 Ogre, you are getting 3 extra HP per tick. That is certainly better than nothing, which is why you should canni dance. However, Bind Wound will get your more HP if you need to heal faster and don't want to use your mana on healing spells.

[Penish]

as fun as this has been the dudes lost the ability to learn or absorb new information over his own thoughts

he's truly psychotic, like a real one

gl elf pals, lol

[Duik]

He'll be back...

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s related, and it’s quite simple why, let me make sure you understand this.

You claim your monk does just fine with 150 str, being content with your dps. Yet you sit here and say a shaman should still have jbb to mix in a few clicks at 60 when you can’t canni. So you obviously value incremental dps gains(a few jbb clicks here and there on an Ionat fight is extremely minimal), yet you seem to discredit the value of a 20 str dps increase.

So In one thread to say “to hell with small dps gains” and in another thread you say “yea you should take advantage of small dps gains”. You can’t keep your facts straight, so it’s important for me to defend the truth.

I hope you can see the hypocrisy in this, but if not, as long as others can I’m ok with that.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let’s do some math!

In 8 seconds you could
-click JBB once for 263 dmg
OR
-cast torpor and have 2 seconds left over
OR
-cast canni 4 2-3x

In 32 seconds you could …

Click JBB 4x (1052 damage)
OR

-cast torpor once (1200-1500 heal) subtract 200 mana
AND
-cast canni4 8x (656 mana for 1184hp) - net positive 455 mana and 16-315 health
AND
-cast bane, pox or Ebolt once with mana left over

Dmg per mana with those spells range 3.88-4.86 damage per mana yielding 1789-2216dmg for the surplus mana you generated.

That’s why I sold the JBB. Between managing debuffs and frankly having better returns on time invested by casting actual spells … there are much better uses of your time as a shaman than clicking your JBB at level

Still waiting on a response.

Every click of JBB is 8 seconds lost that could be more productively used elsewhere. As for what to do when you have unspent time on your most important tasks (keeping it slowed/debuffed, refreshing dots, healing yourself, and casting canni) … click your epic! When fighting big ass nasty mobs, those other priorities are so high that I often find my epic dot will have worn off many ticks before I have a spare moment to refresh.

JBB really is such a minor contribution that it doesn’t really fit well into the crap that needs to get done with finite time to get it done in.

The cool thing about the shaman class is that they are so incredibly overpowered that you can be successful even using the JBB or otherwise playing inefficiently.

DSM is the poster child for this phenomenon apparently.

[Toxigen]

Minor increase in DPS with JBB

vs. 150 STR monks and casual non-twink rogues starting STA over STR

pick one