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[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by DinoTriz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes.

Clinton missed Obama's numbers by 70,000

Trump gained over 2 million past Romney.

Turnout in 2016 was 0.9% less than 2012.

In which states, other than Pennsylvania, did Trump outperform Romney where Clinton also lagged behind Obama? Ohio, Michigan, and Indiana round out the list. In each of these states, Trump received at least 100,000 more votes than Romney, while Hillary Clinton received 433,545 fewer votes than Obama in Ohio, 295,730 fewer votes in Michigan, and 119,761 fewer votes in Indiana.

[Patriam1066]

What were the Pennsylvania numbers

Also Florida

Thanks and godbless

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What were the Pennsylvania numbers

Also Florida

Thanks and godbless

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[DinoTriz]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What were the Pennsylvania numbers

Also Florida

Thanks and godbless

Yep.

Dishonest little Wonkie.

Also, you can't guarantee those unaccounted votes would have definitely gone for Clinton.

Which brings me back to my original point: You need the swing voters.

[JurisDictum]

It's not that complicated.

Voters in these key swing districts are socially conservative and economically more "liberal" (liberal means pro-union in America [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]). So Clinton comes in with his tough on crime "New Democrat" bill of goods. He says -- like the Republicans he's good on the economy and the era of big government is over (lol...). So we need to embrace free trade like the Republicans to help the economy, get rid of criminals, and everyone will do better.

They vote for him and proceed to lose their union jobs. Which are -- of course -- replaced with Mcjobs. In response to these people complaining, the leaders of both parties say "well its a global economy, and globally speaking, you're a loser." (This happens under Bush and Obama respectively -- so they finally see both sides are playing them).

Trump comes along and says "No no no, its the elites with their fucked up trade deals and immigration policies. Otherwise everything would be fine. Ill make it just like it was."

Clinton said "fuck that -- that's racist and unrealistic."

Somehow the Clinton line didn't sell well with these people. Bernie -- who might have had a chance with the less culturally conservative ones (which is amazing given the level of anti-socialist propaganda these people were raised under) -- was pushed out and not an option.

So they went with Trump.

The media keeps spinning this story that now the economy is doing well and these people are happy. Except its not really true... so I think its fair to say the pro-Trump bubble is in for a nasty shock in 2020...

Assuming we don't try to run a Clintonite elitist.

[maskedmelonpai]

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[DinoTriz]

Originally Posted by ibetweenk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in what universe is the economy not doing well? It's like post-iraq-looting hot right now.

It's not good, like, in his head.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by ibetweenk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in what universe is the economy not doing well? It's like post-iraq-looting hot right now.

You might not hear this sat in opera box, but "the economy is doing well" is code for "shareholders are making more money than ever." Except that definition of "the economy is doing well" is the one Clinton ran on, Bush etc...

It has nothing to do with improving the lives of the majority. And while its a temporary fix to sell the poor/middle on policies that don't help them. It's not going to lead to a long term solution. Or long term popularity of the president that enacted those policies.

[mickmoranis]

Watch out libs the rules could change any day now.

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[Irulan]

germany had a lot of split votes where no party really won either

prob has to do with ppl being complacent or so fed up they just give up, one of the two