Tailoring guide for classic?

Budder · #1 10-06-2019, 06:51 PM

I’m looking to start tailoring on green. Does anybody have a good beginners guide? I found the one on the wiki that had some recipes but seems rather vague. Any tailoring for beginners?
Thanks!

Baler · #2 10-06-2019, 07:04 PM

not exactly what you're looking for but Loramin added a bunch of era tags to the tailoring page on the wiki.
https://wiki.project1999.com/Tailoring

edit: the more I look at this page the less helpful it appears to be for green. uhh

Crom · #3 10-08-2019, 11:33 AM

This site has been around for a long time and have guide's for all trade skills
some older and some newer:

http://www.eqtraders.com/articles/ar...r=040000000000

loramin · #4 10-08-2019, 04:22 PM

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This site has been around for a long time and have guide's for all trade skills
some older and some newer:

http://www.eqtraders.com/articles/ar...r=040000000000

The wayback machine lets us see that same site, as if it were 1999, which eliminates all the "some newer" parts:

https://web.archive.org/web/19991128...eqtraders.com/

The "Tailoring Guide" at that point was: https://web.archive.org/web/19991128...eqtraders.com/

The Wayback Machine has other snapshots of EQTraders.com (and lots of other sites too of course), so I'd strongly encourage anyone looking for classic tradeskill info to start there.

Ultimately though I think there are two separate things we need to figure out:

which recipes were classic?
of those recipes, which are the cheapest for each trivial level?

Wayback can help us figure out #1, but once we have that anyone can work out #2.

And then once we have all that, it should be pretty easy to either have a separate "Green skill up guide", or just to have one skill-up guide for both Blue and Green, with a few entries having "era templates" added to clarify "in classic you want to do classic recipe ___ instead of ___ (some Kunark/Velious recipe) at ___ trivial".

If possible, I think the latter would be better, because remember "Green" won't stay the same forever: someday it will have Kunark and then Velious, and then someday it will roll around back to classic. If we can get it right, I think it'd be ideal to have one wiki page handle all those eras, rather than needing separate pages or sections for each era, all of which would be trying to hit a "moving target" of Green.

cd288 · #5 10-08-2019, 01:23 PM

What specifically are you looking for? Something like a guide that tells you "make X until this level" or something like that?

Baler · #6 10-08-2019, 04:18 PM

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What specifically are you looking for? Something like a guide that tells you "make X until this level" or something like that?

I think that's it yes.
I couldn't find anything like that for Pure Vanilla Classic.
Lots of guides for velious tailoring out there though. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Baler · #7 10-08-2019, 04:34 PM

Frankly I never understood why the other tradeskills don't have a simple list of items like the Alchemy page does. And you can just sort them all at once. In my opinion the alchemy page should be the template for other tradeskills. Also it has a nice skill guide at the top.
idk maybe that's just my opinion

The tradeskills for sure need some going over.
If anyone wants to help contribute towards the wiki, hint hint

Swish2 · #8 10-08-2019, 05:30 PM

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Frankly I never understood why the other tradeskills don't have a simple list of items like the Alchemy page does. And you can just sort them all at once. In my opinion the alchemy page should be the template for other tradeskills. Also it has a nice skill guide at the top.
idk maybe that's just my opinion

The tradeskills for sure need some going over.
If anyone wants to help contribute towards the wiki, hint hint

Have you seen the poison making page? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Baler · #9 10-08-2019, 05:56 PM

Read your post loramin and I can't really nit pick. I've worked on other mediawiki, wiki's with other people and it seems like group communication never works. I'll either defer to the admin(s) of the wiki on how they want it. OR just go ahead and change a page how I want to see it/feel is best.

Ultimately it's a wiki so if a user thinks they can improve it. Go right ahead. If someone else feels it can be improved after that, they can do so. Basically there is never going to be 1 right way to do any single page.

That being said I think there are some common practices we all agree on. So long as those are met each page can be different so long as it serves the end user effectively. Plus different pages may have different requirements. I was just prasing the alchemy page because it's uniform.

Edit: Trade suppliers at the bottom, I've never used that lol... I click each individual ingredient to see where I can buy them.
ps. I changed the tailoring level guide to a table. I like tables. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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loramin · #10 10-08-2019, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Read your post loramin and I can't really nit pick. I've worked on other mediawiki, wiki's with other people and it seems like group communication never works. I'll either defer to the admin(s) of the wiki on how they want it. OR just go ahead and change a page how I want to see it/feel is best.

Ultimately it's a wiki so if a user thinks they can improve it. Go right ahead. If someone else feels it can be improved after that, they can do so. Basically there is never going to be 1 right way to do any single page.

That being said I think there are some common practices we all agree on. So long as those are met each page can be different so long as it serves the end user effectively.

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Yes it hurts my eyes to look at. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh 100%, and I definitely don't want to "make perfection the enemy of the good" (ie. focus so much on "bike shedding" and discussing what would be best that no one ever goes and changes everything).

But at the same time, before anyone dives in and puts a lot of time into overhauling any set of pages in the wiki (tradeskill or otherwise), I don't think it's a bad idea to get some community feedback first.

Ultimately you're right: whoever feels like doing the work will get to make an "executive decision" about what they think would be best for the wiki, and that's 100% how wikis are designed to work. I just want them to have a chance to consider other viewpoints they might not have, before making any decisions (so that no one has to go in and do yet another overhaul after to fix the thing the first overhauler didn't think of [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]).