Game Mechanics: Game breaking exploit necro heal

Nirgon · #1 08-22-2012, 07:06 PM

Necros should not be able to use cancel magic to remove the negative portion of this effect that it applies to them.

See: http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Pact_of_Shadow

And that line of spells.

bizzum · #2 08-22-2012, 08:39 PM

Looking lucy spell data, the raw data for the recourse has a value of 0 for "nodispell" (false).

No history in the spell data shows that value being changed.

Looked at Turgur's just to be sure 0 meant dispellable, and Turgur's value is one.

I didnt do much research though so if you have something better!

Nirgon · #3 08-22-2012, 10:04 PM

And here it says you cannot dispel it:

http://eq.magelo.com/spell/2475

I was hoping common sense would play a card here as well as people who played on EQ Live would chime in.

It's a 10mana heal or so for gobs of hps. Do you really think it's supposed to be dispellable?..

uygi · #4 08-23-2012, 12:42 AM

A little devil's advocate, don't forget that Lucy is NOT a classic era reference. Lucy did not exist and its(her?) history does not run back to Kunark or Velious eras. That said, I still think Lucy is a useful resource, but it won't tell you what the game was like in 2000 or 2001. If you assume it didn't change til 2002 (and most things didn't) then it's great.

bizzum · #5 08-23-2012, 12:47 AM

True, didn't say it was the end all, but Im just giving what I can find. I might have to play hypocrite and say it seems like common sense would prevail and you would think something like this probably wouldn't get changed.

Anyways, it was just one piece, always open to other more reliable info! I'd say Lucy is probably a better bet than Magelo, thats sites like straight otta 2010

Nirgon · #6 08-23-2012, 01:17 AM

So you're saying something can't be broken in the EQ Emu code that didn't have to be patched in classic?

Rather than presume everything in the EQ Emu code to be right, I presume most or all of it to be wrong until fixed.

This is one glaring example.

Could you dispel res effects at any point on this server? Just wondering.

Nirgon · #7 08-23-2012, 02:30 AM

This is an EQ Emu code bug btw before we go demanding patch notes.

Common sense is a fine argument for a 10mana spell that heals for as much as it does, its not meant to be an insult. However, I feel as if I'm being greeted with some snootiness where none should exist on this topic.

I'll let Kanras and Nilbog decide.

Treats · #8 08-23-2012, 11:54 AM

This isn't classic as Recourses did not even exist until the Luclin era.

There was no way to dispel the recourse back then because it wouldn't even show up in the buff bar.

Nirgon · #9 08-23-2012, 01:44 PM

Exactly, there should be absolutely no way to dispel this.

This wasn't overlooked, or misplaced.

When we move on from these, I have quite a laundry list of other changes.

I seem to recall just having to look at my stats to see how close I was on res effects fading too, that's a toughie where I'm not 100% sure and would have to look.

Not like this spell/line needed a look before here, right?

Quote:

Uthgaard: Fixed a typo in Shadowbond that was causing the spell's recourse to give -125 charisma instead of -125 hp per tick

Dentalplan · #10 08-23-2012, 02:18 PM

This didn't get nerfed until nearly PoP era. And even then the damage portion was still dispellable, it just also dispelled the heal.

07/24/2002 Patch Notes

Quote:

Spells that transfer hit points over time from the caster to a target will no longer take effect on the target (the hit point gainer) if the caster (the hit point giver) isn't also affected by the spell.