Scaling Suspensions and disputing punishments

[arsenalpow]

I was curious as to how this was being handled. Repeat offenders showing a pattern of behavior should obviously be hit with scaling penalties (1st time 1 mob cycle; 2nd time 2 mob cycles; etc) so TMO and Rampages suspensions look correct. However, I'm not aware of any prior suspensions from Indignation, losing 2 class R Sev's seems odd considering there were no prior incidences.

Is the new starting penalty going to be 2 cycles or was this done in error?

On my second point, there was never an opportunity for BDA to dispute our last punishment (which has since come and gone) but there has been examples in the last of a guild challenging their punishments and having them removed. Is there an official mechanism to process this?

Consider this an open conversation.

[Erati]

seems that loot should start to be deleted again once they hit a '3rd' wave of punishments so guilds cant continue to break the same rules but keep their rewards for doing so

[Pint]

The offending guild/party will have the loots removed (if they got the kill), and will be suspended from the target in question for the next 2 times that target is available to them. If any of the loot was already turned in for quests, the rewards will be deleted and nothing will be restored. In addition to that, any appropriate individual suspensions will also be applied (ie: suspended for training if caught training, etc). If a guild accumulates 5 raid suspensions, they will be suspended for “volume of infractions”, which starts at 5 days of full raid suspension across all targets, and increases by 1 day with each subsequent raid suspension.

[arsenalpow]

What's your thought process behind 2 cycles from the start. A guild just starting out is going to make mistakes. They aren't going to know the exact spawn points, they won't know they need to have factioned characters, and two cycles is especially punitive in class R.

I'm not saying indignation is new or maybe there were other mitigating circumstances, but two right off the bat seems harsh considering the list of infractions in this forum where first time offenders were only suspended for one cycle.

[Nightbear]

Pint is this posted somewhere? List of infraction rules etc.

[Nightbear]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not saying indignation is new or maybe there were other mitigating circumstances, but two right off the bat seems harsh considering the list of infractions in this forum where first time offenders were only suspended for one cycle.

/agree'd

2-3 month suspension (or however long it takes for 2 rotations of class R + current lock out)is pretty brutal for our first infraction ever, in over a year of raiding.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Nightbear [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pint is this posted somewhere? List of infraction rules etc.

I think Pint just wrote that as something he would like to see as the rule and it's a step in the right direction to make punishments cause the violating guild to actually pause a bit and think about re-planning standard operating procedures.

[Pint]

lol guys... http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=189856 new raid rules clarified, at the top of this sub forum.

[Pint]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These rules are in addition to the rules found here – http://www.project1999.com/raid.php
And here – http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=132299

Last Updated: April 19, 2015


A lot of you have questions as to crime & punishment; I hope to address that here:
The offending guild/party will have the loots removed (if they got the kill), and will be suspended from the target in question for the next 2 times that target is available to them. If any of the loot was already turned in for quests, the rewards will be deleted and nothing will be restored. In addition to that, any appropriate individual suspensions will also be applied (ie: suspended for training if caught training, etc). If a guild accumulates 5 raid suspensions, they will be suspended for “volume of infractions”, which starts at 5 days of full raid suspension across all targets, and increases by 1 day with each subsequent raid suspension. The staff strongly encourages players to concede/forfeit targets as soon as possible if they break a rule, and of course to also take a Screenshot of the concession/forfeiture, just in case another guild tries to say it never happened.

[arsenalpow]

But reading! Two seems harsh though for first time offenders.