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Old 01-10-2019, 11:28 PM
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"In a 1932 article on "How Mussolini Triumphed" Leon Trotsky described the "declassed and demoralized" lumpenproletariat as "the countless human beings whom finance capital itself has brought to desperation and frenzy." He argued that capitalism used them through fascism"

And there we have it. The Lumpenproletariat are perpetually unemployed degenerates, that the establsihment uses to forge "fascist" allegiences with.

In todays society, they call themselves "anti-fascists" but they support all the things described by marx and trotsky when describing how capitalists use the do nothings as fascists.

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Old 01-10-2019, 11:31 PM
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it may be used in an informal disapproving manner to "describe people who are not clever or well educated, and who are not interested in changing or improving their situation."[20]
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:32 PM
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The Great Soviet Encyclopedia, written from the Marxist-Leninist perspective, defined lumpenproletariat as:[43]

a declassed strata in an antagonistic society (including vagrants, beggars, and criminal elements) [which] has become particularly widespread under capitalism. It is recruited from various classes and is incapable of organized political struggle. It constitutes, along with the petit bourgeois strata, the social basis of anarchism. The bourgeoisie makes use of the lumpen proletariat as strikebreakers, as participants in fascist pogrom bands, and in other ways. The lumpen proletariat disappears with the abolition of the capitalist system.
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:34 PM
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Soviet authorities and scholars instead reserved other terms for their own lumpenproletariat groups, especially "déclassé elements" (деклассированные элементы, deklassirovannye elementy), and viewed them, like Marx, as "social degenerates, isolated from the forces of production and incapable of having a working-class consciousness." Svetlana Stephenson notes that the Soviet state "for all its ideology of assistance, cooperation and social responsibility, was ready to descent on them with all its might."[44]
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:37 PM
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So, yeah.....before you go all gung-ho communist, realize this is why none of the communist countries had any qualms with exterminating the do-nothing lumpenproletariat.

Socialism is for the working class, not the sit on your ass and donothing but criticize class
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:41 PM
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Eight meaningless word soup posts in a row. Congrats, Throndor!
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Old 01-11-2019, 12:03 AM
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Fascists tend to be anticommunist and anticapitalism.
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Old 01-11-2019, 12:10 AM
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Fascists tend to be anticommunist and anticapitalism.
Yeah, read the article. The capitalist bourgeoisie utilize the lumpenproletariat which are, essentially, "anarchist" and transform them into fascist tools. It states that quite clearly.

Seems like you're agreeing with the article in this quote.
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Old 01-11-2019, 12:12 AM
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Eight meaningless word soup posts in a row. Congrats, Throndor!
Go edit wikipedia to more clearly capture marx et al's viewpoint. Im sure YOUR interpretation of puttung your head in the sand like an ostrich will survive the peer reviewed scrutiny.

Matter of fact, we can also go back to the source material if youd like more clarity.
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Old 01-11-2019, 12:18 AM
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Violent anti-fascists calling for the disarmament of the working class, and censorship of the proletariat's god given individual liberties, including the right to speak and formulate their political position seems just about as fascist as fascist can get. Then you look at the people claiming to be anti-fascist with their "unemployable" face tattoos and other hideous anti-social disfigurations and it becomes pretty apparent that "antifa" are lumpenproletariat supporting the establishment hellbent on suppressing hard working, ordinary people, such as myself.
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