Can bards charm kite?

[guineapig]

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BUMP!

Can anyone fill me in on how this is supposed to work?

[Jify]

Haven't tested it, but awhile back it would go like this.

1) Charm a pet.
2) Attempt to charm second pet, pet gets mem-blurred, causing it to lose agro on you.
3) If you do this while it is near your pet, it will attack your pet.
4) Rinse, repeat. For multiple mobs. (generally no more than 4-5)

By doing this you get closer, but by no means close, to what bard swarm kiting is suppose to be. This method is probably about x2-x3 as efficient as regular solo charm kiting on P99, and about only 1% as efficient as classic bard swarm kiting.

Hope that helps Chic!

[guineapig]

Danke!

Yes, makes more sense now. It was the memblur factor that I wasn't taking into account.

[mitic]

charmkite works, somehow and harder than on live

charmkited hillgiants at lvl 27 alraedy (15minutes per kill). you will have to use your snare song, else it wont work that good.

might be easier with the next upgrade...still have to lvl for it

[Jify]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

charmkite works, somehow and harder than on live

Kind of like live, but no where close.

On live you could pull 20 mobs, charm one, send it to attack the other 19. Those 19 would get your pet down to 5-10% HP in a few seconds. You'd then invis, cast a single DOT, get exp, and move on to the next mob.

That does not happen here, agro is different. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by Jete [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am waiting for Kunark to release to make an AoE kite video, but it is possible in Rathe Mtns. currently, but its overly complicated and I don't think a lot of people would understand it.

I'm just starting here but have pretty much settled on playing a bard, at least to start while my GF gets her feet wet with a druid....

AoE kiting got nerfed on live ages ago....Is it back on this server?

If so, why wait till Rathe Mtns? I'm pretty sure I was aoe kiting with my live bard around level 6 or 7. Is it different here? Or are we talking about the same thing? lol I forget the levels of the low level lizzies and whatnot out there...I always think "giants" in RM.

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by Jify [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kind of like live, but no where close.

On live you could pull 20 mobs, charm one, send it to attack the other 19. Those 19 would get your pet down to 5-10% HP in a few seconds. You'd then invis, cast a single DOT, get exp, and move on to the next mob.

That does not happen here, agro is different. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do they do that's different?

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Weekapaug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do they do that's different?

Only thing I can imagine making swarm-kiting unviable would be having the mobs count pet damage as yours, so when that first pet dies you have aggro instead of the recently deceased pet clearing the list.

[Jify]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only thing I can imagine making swarm-kiting unviable would be having the mobs count pet damage as yours, so when that first pet dies you have aggro instead of the recently deceased pet clearing the list.

Almost, but very Correct.

Sending a pet against an unagro'd mob will cause social agro from those around it. Lets use the Spectres as an example.

Charm Spectre A, you can now run Spectre A "through" spectre B,C,D.
Spectre B,C,D will agro Spectre A (if they do not agro on you first)
Your pet is now fighting 3 targets, and losing HP quickly.
Charm breaks, you reapply charm to your pet.
Send Spectre A (pet) against Spectre B.
**THIS IS WHERE THINGS ARE DIFFERENT**
Spectre B will ONLY stop and attack Spectre A if it is hit by Spectre A.
Spectre C & D will continue to chase the bard, and will not socially agro Spectre A.
On live, if you did not personally do any damage or spells to any of the mobs, they would more or less instantly reagro your pet social, because they essentially have the very minimum agro on you.


Does that help?

Note: This is the same reason you can not train undead or giants on people on this server. Sure, training is bad, and as it stands it's 100% impossible to train unless you pull mobs past someone and then Zone, die or FD. Perhaps if there was a "proximity" agro check that would add +1 agro when a NPC is run very close to a PC. That would make training possible & bard charm kiting as well. I suck at code, but maybe something along the lines (logically) of:

if NPC_Melee_Radius contains PC;
if NPC=KOS;
if NPC_Train_Agro=False
NPC_Agro towards PC=(PC_Hate+1);
NPC_Train_Agro=(True for 15 seconds)
else;
else;
else;

It's obviously not this simple. But would something along those lines add a very very small amount of hate and allow for trains, training, and bard swarm kiting. The 15seconds repeating would allow it to happen continuously for something like charm kiting, but +1 hate every 15 seconds would have basically no effect on grouping, etc.

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[Jify]

Originally Posted by Weekapaug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm just starting here but have pretty much settled on playing a bard, at least to start while my GF gets her feet wet with a druid....

AoE kiting got nerfed on live ages ago....Is it back on this server?

If so, why wait till Rathe Mtns? I'm pretty sure I was aoe kiting with my live bard around level 6 or 7. Is it different here? Or are we talking about the same thing? lol I forget the levels of the low level lizzies and whatnot out there...I always think "giants" in RM.

AoE kiting is on this server. However, hit boxes are larger and NPC movement speed is quicker. It is very hard, almost impossible (unless you're a bard god like Jete) to AoE kite at the moment.