Let's be real for a moment

[Rhalous]

There is a guild meeting once a month. I suggest you talk to your officers if you don't like the way we are handling things.

[Virtuosos]

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[xorbier]

Raid encounters are regulated!?! WTF

As a newer player finding this out I must say I'm extraordinarily disappointed. I had such high hopes for this server and to find out it's political on who gets what mobs in the end is just ridiculous. In the old days the good guilds competed and the competition was so much fun! Sometimes you got to the mob first, sometimes you didn't, that was the fun of it!

To the previous poster who talked about fairness, you should know that's the same idiotic thinking that has led to lead to socialism and tyranny in the world. Everything's fair and equal in Cuba and China right??? I'm sick of people wanting things to be "fair" and "equal". If you work hard at something you should have the right to receive the fruits of your labor. It's a very naive way of thinking and although you may have the best intention, remember the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

I truly hope the server is not regulated like this and these are just rumors. I had such high hopes.

[Abacab]

Originally Posted by Virtuosos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and rhalous, i think abacab is lobbying pretty heavily to the 2 trans members going to the meeting to bring it up. going to be interesting to see what all happens....hopefully the guildnotes dont take so long to post [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are only three of us vocal about it, but you're telling me man that you're not tired of:

Abacab tells guild: CT is up
Guild: How many in the zone?
Abacab tells guild: 13 IB
Guild: Nah, just leave it alone

I understand that not everyone in the guild can be on 24/7 and that's cool but the sheer apathy of not even contending for mobs if one guild has 15 in the zone is gut wrenching.

It's nothing to do with the guild, or the officers, but I'm wanting to break the guild out of it's "Give or take" attitude cause we are never going to get raid targets until we either tighten up, and put as much effort into it as the other guilds,or we wait til kunark comes out to trivialize the content further.

and I'd rather not piss around for the latter.

[Rhalous]

Originally Posted by xorbier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I had such high hopes for this server and to find out it's political on who gets what mobs in the end is just ridiculous.

It is not as you fear.

Perhaps we should sticky http://project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5778

[Bumamgar]

Originally Posted by xorbier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raid encounters are regulated!?! WTF

As a newer player finding this out I must say I'm extraordinarily disappointed. I had such high hopes for this server and to find out it's political on who gets what mobs in the end is just ridiculous. In the old days the good guilds competed and the competition was so much fun! Sometimes you got to the mob first, sometimes you didn't, that was the fun of it!

To the previous poster who talked about fairness, you should know that's the same idiotic thinking that has led to lead to socialism and tyranny in the world. Everything's fair and equal in Cuba and China right??? I'm sick of people wanting things to be "fair" and "equal". If you work hard at something you should have the right to receive the fruits of your labor. It's a very naive way of thinking and although you may have the best intention, remember the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

I truly hope the server is not regulated like this and these are just rumors. I had such high hopes.

They aren't 'regulated' in any sort of political sense (ie: no rotations or anything like that).

There are simply some guidelines to help adjudicate disputes. Specifically, a raid that is 'first in force' gets a short (30 min) time window to engage the target. First in force is defined as 'having 15 players in zone'.

So, the guild who is fastest to mobilize and get 15 players into the raid zone gets an uncontested 30 minutes to engage the target. If they dilly dally around and don't engage in 30 minutes, they lose their 'claim' on the target and any other force can engage it.

Usually this sort of policy helps prevent griefing and limits the amount of petitions and arguing involved in the (often) ugly race for contested raid targets. Basically this policy rewards quick mobilization, and helps prevent tactics like leapfrogging or 'alpha strike' KS'ing which often occur in a totally 'free-for-all' raid environment. In other words, it favors guilds who are organized and can mobilize quickly, and dis-favors guilds who prefer to use underhanded tactics like leapfrogging and training.

[xorbier]

Thank you for the clarification I appreciate it! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was worried there for a minute.

[Tudana]

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They aren't 'regulated' in any sort of political sense (ie: no rotations or anything like that).

There are simply some guidelines to help adjudicate disputes. Specifically, a raid that is 'first in force' gets a short (30 min) time window to engage the target. First in force is defined as 'having 15 players in zone'.

So, the guild who is fastest to mobilize and get 15 players into the raid zone gets an uncontested 30 minutes to engage the target. If they dilly dally around and don't engage in 30 minutes, they lose their 'claim' on the target and any other force can engage it.

Usually this sort of policy helps prevent griefing and limits the amount of petitions and arguing involved in the (often) ugly race for contested raid targets. Basically this policy rewards quick mobilization, and helps prevent tactics like leapfrogging or 'alpha strike' KS'ing which often occur in a totally 'free-for-all' raid environment. In other words, it favors guilds who are organized and can mobilize quickly, and dis-favors guilds who prefer to use underhanded tactics like leapfrogging and training.

does that 30 mins to engage the target include clearing of the panes in order to get to the bosses? or is the target the policies are refering to actual bosses?

I would think clearing the plane and putting in the time to do so would entitle that guild to the bosses uncontested.

[Bumamgar]

I don't know the answer to that, as I am not yet in a position to raid the planes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sure someone who is an experienced raider here on p99 can comment on how the GMs have adjudicated this scenario in the past.

[Kinamur1999]

Originally Posted by Abacab [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are only three of us vocal about it, but you're telling me man that you're not tired of:

Abacab tells guild: CT is up
Guild: How many in the zone?
Abacab tells guild: 13 IB
Guild: Nah, just leave it alone

I understand that not everyone in the guild can be on 24/7 and that's cool but the sheer apathy of not even contending for mobs if one guild has 15 in the zone is gut wrenching.

It's nothing to do with the guild, or the officers, but I'm wanting to break the guild out of it's "Give or take" attitude cause we are never going to get raid targets until we either tighten up, and put as much effort into it as the other guilds,or we wait til kunark comes out to trivialize the content further.

and I'd rather not piss around for the latter.

Sorry aba but your post here makes it look like all of your problems are with your guilds attitude.