Nilbog-
So you grind away to 60, get into a top raiding guild...days of time only to find out playing field is not level. Damn, guess you get what you pay for!! Move to boston and become a fat racist piece of trash and you get play in your own sandbox with yo freens with flames on their sleeves.
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CSN Rogean (CSN Rogean) is available 11:56 am
djdaviddeere 11:56 am
(11:56:57 AM): your a shitty dev, cant even respond to the 3 other petitions that TR broke the rules
(11:57:01 AM): CSR rather
(11:57:04 AM): get your shit together
(11:57:18 AM): fuckin done with this server
CSN Rogean 11:57 am
(11:57:37 AM): cya
djdaviddeere 11:57 am
(11:57:55 AM): goodluck with this dying server
djdaviddeere 11:59 am
(11:59:35 AM): last week on sev, TR stole our FTE pull, and NOTHING was done, then Xzerion calls you and you help them within hours
CSN Rogean 12:00 pm
(12:00:54 PM): so you're all up in my grill automatically assuming I'm responsible for everything
(12:00:58 PM): I'm at work atm
djdaviddeere 12:00 pm
(12:00:58 PM): yes
(12:01:00 PM): its your server
CSN Rogean 12:01 pm
(12:01:07 PM): "Your a shitty dev"
djdaviddeere 12:01 pm
(12:01:15 PM): CSR
CSN Rogean 12:01 pm
(12:01:16 PM): How about
(12:01:19 PM): you try a different approach
(12:01:23 PM): and then maybe we can have a conversation
djdaviddeere 12:01 pm
(12:01:28 PM): like what? being calm and putting in civil petitions
(12:01:31 PM): that are ignored for months
(12:01:32 PM): rediculous
(12:01:46 PM): you ignore me on aim for the most part
(12:01:49 PM): so i know you dont give a fuck
CSN Rogean 12:01 pm
(12:01:51 PM): I didn't say it had to be a post, we can talk here, but certainly not with your attitude coming at me like that
(12:01:59 PM): I'm going to go grab a sub
(12:02:06 PM): when I come back we can chat if you lose the attitude
(12:02:16 PM): brb 10 mins
djdaviddeere 12:11 pm
(12:11:10 PM): yeah pretty much most of TMO is gonna quit this server if this is the case, but let me know when your back
CSN Rogean 12:18 pm
(12:18:52 PM): ok so
(12:18:54 PM): Basically
(12:19:12 PM): TR was fighting Venril Sathir at the zone in (which they will be told not to do anymore along with everyone else) and they had a pile of mobs locked down by AE Mez
(12:19:20 PM): Zeelot ran into that pile of mobs and casted an AE on them
(12:19:27 PM): Twice.
djdaviddeere 12:20 pm
(12:20:28 PM): Is this logged or something?
(12:20:34 PM): whats your email
(12:20:45 PM): we got 2 petitions with TONS of fraps with TR raid interferring
(12:20:48 PM): not a GOD damn thing was done
CSN Rogean 12:23 pm
(12:23:08 PM): So your are defending yourself by saying "But they were doing it too!" from a different situation
djdaviddeere 12:23 pm
(12:23:14 PM): no
(12:23:17 PM): its pretty fucking pathetic
(12:23:20 PM): that nothing is done to these guys
(12:23:22 PM): after all the bullshit
(12:23:25 PM): officers using SEQ
(12:23:28 PM): im tellin you, im done with this server
(12:23:33 PM): bringing most of TMO with us
CSN Rogean 12:23 pm
(12:23:34 PM): do you say to a police officer when you get pulled over for speeding that "But the person in front of me was speeding too!"
djdaviddeere 12:23 pm
(12:23:38 PM): everyone is FED up
(12:23:41 PM): doesnt matter
(12:23:48 PM): this is the kind of shit that happens with the scene is ignored
(12:23:54 PM): and projections of favoritism are present
(12:24:03 PM): you are doing this to yourself
CSN Rogean 12:24 pm
(12:24:23 PM): I hear the fippy server has some awesome gm decisions going on, maybe you should try there then
djdaviddeere 12:24 pm
(12:24:31 PM): ive got something better
djdaviddeere 12:25 pm
(12:25:53 PM): not being consistant is the problem here
(12:26:28 PM):
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/943243EQ000089.png
(12:26:34 PM): TR should be fucking suspended from this last week
(12:26:41 PM): McBard also pulled Talendor with 2 TR in zone
CSN Rogean 12:26 pm
(12:26:42 PM):
Rogean@gmail.com
(12:26:43 PM): send to that
djdaviddeere 12:26 pm
(12:26:43 PM): with 40 TMO in zone
CSN Rogean 12:26 pm
(12:26:46 PM): I can't read that on my cell phone
(12:27:34 PM): So heres the deal
CSN Rogean 12:30 pm
(12:30:04 PM): Yes we are short on staff and I do not have that much time at all to be at every raid to see what goes down.. screenshots do very little to prove things, logs even less, fraps only sometimes.. if there is even the slightest chance that they have a defense against what you perceive to be a disruption, we can't do anything about it.. thats why we simply have to be there. This is exactly why I put up a post to hire more guides... but I'm pretty sure you don't want jo shmo with 0 raid experience deciding raid disputes.. they need to have a background in it and understand all possible angles while remaining unbiased.. and you can not even imagine how hard it is to find people like that who don't have ties to friends in raiding guilds
(12:30:15 PM): with that said you also have a very biased opinion.. as is everyone's.. NOTHING is clear cut
djdaviddeere 12:31 pm
(12:31:25 PM): You could develop a system to prevent this stuff happening
(12:31:31 PM): why not have a mob shout what guild aggroed him
(12:31:38 PM): we have tons of GREAT evidence
(12:31:42 PM): yeah i know your tied up
(12:31:45 PM): RL comes first
(12:31:52 PM): but the scene is getting worse
djdaviddeere 12:32 pm
(12:32:05 PM): people being ignored, retaliation
CSN Rogean 12:32 pm
(12:32:06 PM): What I saw today were logs an dfraps of Zeelot doing what he did... how can I NOT act against that? If you were in TR right now.. put yourself in their shoes.. you're showing me evidence right now that can be argued in either direction about past raid disruptions... what I'm being shown by TR right now is clear cut proof of zeelot doing what he did and you aren't even denying it, you know it's true, what are we suppose to do? Not suspend you because we didn't have enough evidence to suspend TR in past situations? I would be playing RIGHT into the favoritism you are accusing me of right now
(12:32:13 PM): for god sakes take one minute to atleast attempt to put yourself in our shoes
djdaviddeere 12:32 pm
(12:32:57 PM): if i was in your shoes, id respond to TMO petitions as well as TRs
(12:33:14 PM): inconsitancy
(12:33:16 PM): is the problem here
CSN Rogean 12:33 pm
(12:33:19 PM): I certainly would too if I had more than 1 to 2 hours a day to work on the server
djdaviddeere 12:33 pm
(12:33:25 PM): you even suspended zeelot right before a trak pop
(12:33:28 PM): due to a bug from your side
(12:33:48 PM): this is a precedence of guild favoritsm, sorry
djdaviddeere 12:34 pm
(12:34:16 PM): just letting you know, we're done here if this is how its going to be
CSN Rogean 12:34 pm
(12:34:19 PM): was he not unsuspended minutes later?
(12:34:24 PM): he was
djdaviddeere 12:34 pm
(12:34:36 PM): yeah but that still affected trak, he was unsuspended after he died
(12:34:40 PM): and hes one of the major roles in our engage
(12:34:49 PM): assumptions
(12:34:52 PM): ass out of you and me
CSN Rogean 12:35 pm
(12:35:20 PM): so now you understand how something that can be perceived as a disruption (claims by TR that he stood up to gank aggro.. the fraps showed it, logs supported it) but yet some new evidence coming to light can turn the decision around entirely.. this is PRECISELY why we can not always suspend people or guilds based on what you claim to be 'clear cut evidence of a disruption'
(12:35:42 PM): You just proved my argument by bringing that situation up
djdaviddeere 12:36 pm
(12:36:42 PM): actually what we see now is how you respond to TR's petitions IMMEDIATELY, and leave ours in queue for months at a time without a response
(12:36:46 PM): rediculous lol
(12:37:28 PM): regardless of what zeelot may or may have not done.
the people are frustrated with the shady shit that has been happening
(12:37:33 PM): this is the result
(12:37:38 PM): stupid unnecessary shit
CSN Rogean 12:37 pm
(12:37:52 PM): That isn't exactly the case.. Amelinda showed me all the evidence for the sev situation and even reminded me again a day later to look at it again and come a conclusion.. we simply did not have enough proof to take action.. and that is the majority of situations
(12:38:20 PM): Also, this has nothing to do with the fact that you broke the rules and you knew you were doing it
djdaviddeere 12:38 pm
(12:38:39 PM): a majority of situations is TR ganking our shit, doing shady stuff, and getting away with it, but yet theres not enough evidence
djdaviddeere 12:39 pm
(12:39:18 PM): well we are done here man, it was fun, it was real, just wasnt real fun
CSN Rogean 12:39 pm
(12:39:18 PM): So let's say they stole your pull
(12:39:21 PM): lets say they uh
(12:39:23 PM): memory blur the mob
(12:39:26 PM): and then pull it
(12:39:27 PM): which clears the logs
(12:39:31 PM): What would you have me do
(12:39:34 PM): Take your word for it?
(12:39:38 PM): Favoritism.
djdaviddeere 12:39 pm
(12:39:38 PM): whatever man, this is off point
CSN Rogean 12:39 pm
(12:39:52 PM): Your fighting favoritism by advocating favoritism
djdaviddeere 12:40 pm
(12:40:04 PM): no, im fighitng the fact that serious petitions have been ignored
(12:40:06 PM): the draco petition
(12:40:13 PM): and the CT bullshit, with Awesome fraps of Kets fucking with us
(12:40:15 PM): lol
(12:40:27 PM): You should hear our officer vent right now
CSN Rogean 12:40 pm
(12:40:38 PM): You guys have basically been fucking with eachother for months now
djdaviddeere 12:40 pm
(12:40:39 PM): all of our people are sick of this shit
CSN Rogean 12:40 pm
(12:40:40 PM): it's going back and forth
djdaviddeere 12:40 pm
(12:40:45 PM): no actually
CSN Rogean 12:40 pm
(12:40:47 PM): do NOT pretend like you guys have been angels
djdaviddeere 12:40 pm
(12:40:50 PM): we were pretty civil with them for a while
(12:40:53 PM): backing out when they engage
(12:40:55 PM): shit like that
(12:41:02 PM): when they start to play dirty
(12:41:05 PM): and nothign is done
(12:41:08 PM): what do you think is going to happen?
(12:41:16 PM): do you say to a police officer when you get pulled over for speeding that "But the person in front of me was speeding too!"
djdaviddeere 12:41 pm
(12:41:28 PM): yes, people say they speed to go with the flow of traffic, and get out of traffic tickets
CSN Rogean 12:41 pm
(12:41:35 PM): If you had a situation that was as clear cut as what happened today you are welcome to post all the info in this aim window
(12:41:47 PM): I can garauntee you I do not ever ignore aim
(12:41:59 PM): Sometimes I don't respiond.. but I always see it
djdaviddeere 12:42 pm
(12:42:02 PM): yeah you've ignored me alot lol
(12:42:12 PM): Eccezan: Its ironic that in all of the "evidence" from raid encounters that you have reviewed as a GM on this server, you havent found 1 bit of eviedence to raid suspend IB/TR once, however with DA and TMO, you have found sufficient evidence to do it 3 times now?
CSN Rogean 12:42 pm
(12:42:12 PM): [13:41] Rogean: Sometimes I don't respiond.. but I always see it
(12:42:32 PM): TR has been raid suspended twice actually
(12:42:40 PM): they are just better at not leaking shit
djdaviddeere 12:42 pm
(12:42:54 PM): Trystch was banned for Training Ascension+TMO
(12:42:58 PM): during trak
(12:43:04 PM): and i saw them still compete for targets
(12:43:12 PM): and he was an officer
(12:43:19 PM): so yeah zeelot interfered, he should be suspended
(12:43:21 PM): why the whole guild
(12:43:26 PM): its inconsistancy
CSN Rogean 12:43 pm
(12:43:33 PM): I do not recall the Trystych situation
djdaviddeere 12:43 pm
(12:43:41 PM): Well uthgaard was the one who caught him
(12:43:50 PM): Eccezan: What is evident from that is that you and your "Friends" in TR / IB arent going to have much of a server to play with when we are done outting this latest corruption.
(12:44:17 PM): trystch even had his surname Banned, for being suspended 3 times
CSN Rogean 12:44 pm
(12:44:32 PM): Claim corruption all you want.. it is laughable that you think we are more corrupt punishing you for clear cut rule breaking than if we didn't do anything at all
djdaviddeere 12:45 pm
(12:45:06 PM): thats the problem, you havnt been doing ANYTHING at all, if you want to play that card, both guild sshould be suspended
(12:45:16 PM): Its laughable that you can pass this server off as fair
CSN Rogean 12:45 pm
(12:45:25 PM): I do not have clear cut evidence right in front of me of TR AE'ing mobs locked down by a competing guild
(12:45:31 PM): If I did, I gaurantee you they would be suspended
CSN Rogean 12:45 pm
(12:45:41 PM): Look at the track record
(12:45:46 PM): How many people in TR have been banned/suspended
(12:45:51 PM): You've seen it on the forums
(12:46:04 PM): People that you claim to be my friends
djdaviddeere 12:46 pm
(12:46:16 PM): Jeremy: Why, after being able to reverse-engineer Everquest, one of the most complicated games ever, are you not able to implement a system that will provides clear-cut answers to questions regarding questionable acts in raid situations?
(12:46:33 PM): Eccezan: And where is the fairness when equal access to GM's is not given? When one guild is able to get a petitioon answered within 24 hours, while another guild must wait over a month? What is the difference here? Is it legit for certain players to get special
Eccezan: treament over others?
CSN Rogean 12:47 pm
(12:47:55 PM): how about this then
(12:47:58 PM): I'm probably going to be doing this anyways
(12:48:05 PM): I'm going to open a new forum
djdaviddeere 12:48 pm
(12:48:08 PM): Eccezan: For players like Eashan and Perun, high ranking members in TR, to be allowed to play again on characters that wer explicitly used to cheat. For you to put that in the guise of "for this sitaution we are goint o handle this one way"
CSN Rogean 12:48 pm
(12:48:13 PM): Stop pasting shit
(12:48:15 PM): I'm talking to you
(12:48:17 PM): not the whole damn guild
djdaviddeere 12:48 pm
(12:48:17 PM): yeah what the fuck is this i hear eashan was unbanned because he donated 10k
CSN Rogean 12:48 pm
(12:48:26 PM): Do you see Eashan online right now?
(12:48:30 PM): And he did not donate 10k
(12:48:43 PM): God you guys will believe anything
djdaviddeere 12:49 pm
(12:49:43 PM): like i said im pretty much done here, i was pasting this shit from all the anger from the people in the guild
CSN Rogean 12:49 pm
(12:49:47 PM): mysql> select charname, banned from account where charname = "Eashan";
+----------+--------+
| charname | banned |
+----------+--------+
| Eashan | 1 |
+----------+--------+
1 row in set (0.00 sec)
djdaviddeere 12:49 pm
(12:49:49 PM): i dont have time to listen and retype
CSN Rogean 12:50 pm
(12:50:04 PM): I don't either
(12:50:06 PM): Because I'm at work
(12:50:09 PM): I'm making time though
(12:50:25 PM): so let me tell you what I'm going to do
(12:50:28 PM): I'm going to put a new forum up
(12:50:31 PM): it's going to be called Raid Disputes
(12:50:37 PM): and all raid disputes will become public records
(12:50:46 PM): only guild leadership can post in the forum
(12:50:52 PM): and we will have all the evidence in those forums
(12:50:54 PM): for everyone to see
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