Impeaching President Trump

[Snagglepuss]

FWIW I guess my thoughts are that Trump ran a drain the swamp campaign as did Zelensky (anti-corruption and anti-establishment). Is it not hard to tell a story that the two had a mutual interest in shining a light on the incestuous and lucrative foreign policy / consulting world.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/21/w...elections.html

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Snagglepuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trump ran a drain the swamp campaign.

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[Rainik Stormseeker]

Originally Posted by Snagglepuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just curious how you guys would view the Ukraine / impeachment debacle if Joe Biden were NOT running for President? Would he be a political rival still?

He's not really a political rival anyway. Have you seen the debates? He'd be the easiest to beat, by far.

[Valeriya]

Originally Posted by Horza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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You leftist loser Trumps going to win again

[BallzDeep]

Originally Posted by Khorza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never claimed it was damning evidence, everyone had access to the transcript that the white house released. That's what's so insane about this, everyone knows that the president did this shit yet they still twist themselves into knots in an attempt to defend him.



Okay, the problem with this sentence is that you took a bunch of very important details and described that part as, "had a conversation."

You know as well as I do that the details of that conversation are the problem here. You're very obviously glossing over that part and throwing your hands up in the air like, "they just had a conversation, what's the big deal?"

Well, the big deal is that during that conversation the president of the United States asked a foreign government to meddle in an upcoming election.

Here is the issue I have with what you are saying. Trump didn't directly ask for Biden information and then follow up with "well we are going to hold the aid until you help us." If Trump is legitimately investigating a corruption claim all the while hitting two birds with one stone while not mentioning with-holding aid. There isn't a crime. Obviously he is using for some political advantage but there is also some sort of corruption there. It's obviously biased in your favor because you disregard anything with Biden even if corruption took place, put directly to Trump while he did so legally. This took place even more so when an investigation didn't take place and the aid was released. If you set the precedent for someone utilizing the law to seek out corruption while looking for political gain, you are now blowing the whistle on any possibly corruption if it includes the right elected officials. This is a problem. If it was done within the law, it's within the law. An investigation on corruption, is an investigation on corruption. If with-holding aid was not mentioned, it wasn't mentioned.

There was recently an article about how the FBI was wire tapping Carter Page and falsifying documents to utilize in the Russian investigation. Where's your outrage there? This is proven.

[feniin]

Originally Posted by BallzDeep [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is the issue I have with what you are saying. Trump didn't directly ask for Biden information and then follow up with "well we are going to hold the aid until you help us." If Trump is legitimately investigating a corruption claim all the while hitting two birds with one stone while not mentioning with-holding aid. There isn't a crime. Obviously he is using for some political advantage but there is also some sort of corruption there. It's obviously biased in your favor because you disregard anything with Biden even if corruption took place, put directly to Trump while he did so legally. This took place even more so when an investigation didn't take place and the aid was released. If you set the precedent for someone utilizing the law to seek out corruption while looking for political gain, you are now blowing the whistle on any possibly corruption if it includes the right elected officials. This is a problem. If it was done within the law, it's within the law. An investigation on corruption, is an investigation on corruption. If with-holding aid was not mentioned, it wasn't mentioned.

There was recently an article about how the FBI was wire tapping Carter Page and falsifying documents to utilize in the Russian investigation. Where's your outrage there? This is proven.

What Trump did wasn't legal, regardless of what Biden may or may not have done.

[Ripp]

Originally Posted by Rainik Stormseeker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He's not really a political rival anyway. Have you seen the debates? He'd be the easiest to beat, by far.

Don't tell em that lol. Let them believe in the dream! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For chuckles though lol:

JOE BIDEN DEPORTATIONS: Crowd Gets Mad At Biden At His Own Rally

[Ripp]

Smokin' Joe, you bet. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would be a great day in 'Murica if Quid Pro Joe were the Democrat nomination. Hahahaha, oh man, one can hope.

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Ripp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Smokin' Joe, you bet. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would be a great day in 'Murica if Quid Pro Joe were the Democrat nomination. Hahahaha, oh man, one can hope.

Warren or Sanders will easily beat him in the primary.

[Ripp]

Originally Posted by Horza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Warren or Sanders will easily beat him.

You're right.

But, both of them have problems.