Casinos

[Champion_Standing]

I've been saying this needs to happen for years, good job staff.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by -Alcoholic- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ha ha i rage quit after i lost my 2nd CoF and 3rd Fungi in under 2 months.... i payed out over 380k in prizes before that.. I attempt to log back in next day after i cooled off. I appologized to the guy and arranged to pay him his reward in a PM. I see my account is banned. I read all the threads about it and see that my ban is due to defrauding another player... I totally agree with that decision... I was a mental wreck when i /q'ed on that guy and I deserve what happened... i didnt "scam" anyone but him.. i didnt attempt to "scam" anyone before him... it was just a moment of weakness.

Im sorry to all involved if i had a hand in ending the EQ gambling scene...

ALTHOUGH... everything i have read about this leads me to conclude that my specific scenario is being used by staff to take your gambling privilege away... NOT because gambling, in and of itself, has caused grief to the community beyond the annoyance of having to filter your chat window. But, because it has made it harder to detect RMT.. taking away a beautiful layer of the game for no reason other than that they are understaffed and over worked.

I guess i can understand that to some degree... and in other ways i cant understand that at all.

smoke and mirrors

Had nothing to do with you, and I don't think we've ever once stated that the dispute that involved you affected this decision, so not sure where people would get that from.

Even if we had the proper staff, we wouldn't go sorting through casino trade logs in the volume required for what I need. There's simply too many trades. Again, this is something that's difficult to understand unless you can see what I see.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Do you see what I see?

[Portasaurus]

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[Swindle]

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[Bboboo]

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[-Alcoholic-]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Had nothing to do with you, and I don't think we've ever once stated that the dispute that involved you affected this decision, so not sure where people would get that from.

Even if we had the proper staff, we wouldn't go sorting through casino trade logs in the volume required for what I need. There's simply too many trades. Again, this is something that's difficult to understand unless you can see what I see.

Yeah i guess you are right.. i was just reading into the anti casino threads a bit too much.

It just seemed like a witch hunt in the beginning with people getting so flared up about something they cannot or will not understand. I "know" these other casino operators ... its hard not to know people you talk to on a daily basis and (although my word is no good anymore) almost all of them are absolute kings (and queens). There was definitely an overwhelming response from everyone other than Proaero (who i have reconciled with and promised to repay when and if circumstances allow). Its was difficult to not correlate what happened with me and the ban on casinos. I would definitely be pulling my hair out if I had to step into your shoes... I have no perspective on what you go through on a daily basis and i apologize if my last statement offended you or any of the other staff Derubael.

[Olscratch]

Originally Posted by -Alcoholic- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ALTHOUGH... everything i have read about this leads me to conclude that my specific scenario is being used by staff to take your gambling privilege away... NOT because gambling, in and of itself, has caused grief to the community beyond the annoyance of having to filter your chat window. But, because it has made it harder to detect RMT.. taking away a beautiful layer of the game for no reason other than that they are understaffed and over worked.

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Had nothing to do with you, and I don't think we've ever once stated that the dispute that involved you affected this decision, so not sure where people would get that from.

Really?

You're not sure why people would think that - after casinos have held a legitimate place on this server for 5 years, and here 2 weeks after Alcoholic's "scam" all legitimate casinos + serverwidegambling is suddenly blanket prohibition without any discussion or reasoning given?


Also:

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Due to numerous issues resulting from player run casinos and to reflect similar policies enacted on Live during classic, as well as other MMORPG's, we have decided to prohibit the operation, advertisement, or use of "casinos"

We hope that this change will make for a safer trading community and help protect the players on our server. In the future we may add gambling NPC's to provide a safe, server friendly way to gamble here on Project 1999

Those two things are contradictory and false. SoE had no anti player-run casino policy during classic on Live. And the NPC casino is a LDoN era feature. Many of us had classic experiences with player-run casinos on live classic. Though they're posts of people bitching and slightly post classic era, here's a few servers where player-run casinos were commonplace.


Mon Mar 01, 2004 11:05 pm
Arvor
On Povar, most of the casinos I see run about 55/45 in favor of the operator. I suspect those are honest, though I certainly wouldn't waste my time with them. I can find easier and quicker ways to delete 55% of my plat.:smileyhappy:

Mon Mar 01, 2004 10:48 pm
Mr-Cowbell
I'll admit it I run a scam in the bazaar. Just kidding- every now and then I will auction off my ignore list to the bazaar- for some sad reason there are no takers. Oh well they seem to be less prevalant on my new home of Lans T'vyl. Prexus had them really bad for a while.

Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:13 pm
Theramor-GoV
Personally I hate the "casinos" that are all over the Veeshan Bazaar. These days I've gotten into the habit of not only reducing my clipping plane but stopping shouts before I go in the bazaar.

source : http://www.elitegamerslounge.com/hom...hp?f=2&t=17819

Zzirus
12-18-2003, 12:55 PM
WOW that is an awesome idea Njokiel I hope that is the truth.

I tried to start a casino on one of my alts and lost 20k to players so I have learned my lesson from gambling.
http://www.eqcleric.com/archive/index.php/t-6287.html

#1 May 05 2004 at 6:26 PM Rating: Good
The Honorable czaemon
Sage
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3,937 posts
If you don't intend to be a traditional everquest casino (AKA scam people,) then please, for the love of god, use a calculator. I was just wandering through the bazaar today when I heard a shout.
soandso shout "Casino open at stables! /rand 1000, 600+ gets twice your money, under 600 gets half your bet back!!!"

Now. Anyone else see something wrong with that? Noting the rather favorable odds I headed over. I placed a 20 plat bet to start with, then doubled my bet after each win. Thanks for the 18kplat. Next time, perhaps, make sure your odds are favorable to you? It helps to have a calculator sometimes too, that way you don't try to payout 7k when you should be paying 5.5k... (I actually told her about that, although I didn't bother pointing out that her odds were less-than-favorable.
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/foru...99533196412246

Antonius-Bayle apparently had them,

Cruzader
Orc Raider
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« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2003, 09:14:12 am »
I would never gamble with a lvl 1 char (mule) or with anyone not guilded, to much risk and to much pain in the ass killing someone later.
http://www.antonius-bayle.org/index.php?topic=1517.30

03-03-2003, 06:41 AM #13
Guy
Default Re: RNG in eq
Adding some anecdotal observations regarding /random:

In casinoing (/random 1 1000) certain trends do show up. Streaks show up in similar numbers, for instance, I have been told by another casinoer (this is what we do when we have no one playing, we talk about how un-random /random is :P) that if someone rolls a 900+ twice within a short period of time, that trend tends to continue. I can't confirm that, but it was mentioned to me. However, it is a trend I have noticed that at times numbers within a hundreds range can show up "clustered" as you call it, with numbers outside of that range coming up infrequently.
http://www.monkly-business.net/forum...ead.php?t=8890

Your prohibition stripped a classic feature from the server while you're claiming you've made it more classic. That's ain't right.

[zforrestal]

Originally Posted by kruptcy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This makes me irrationally angry that someone could think that changing the supply of plat will have ANY effect on the amount of RMT transactions taking place.

Ok, so say for example the GM's put up a vendor that would give you any item you want and all the plat you want.. since the availability for everyone to get the same item has increased, the value of each item decreases.. now for this example could you see anyone taking the risk to sell or buy items with real money? Of course not.. why? Everything is available, which means it's worthless since anyone can get anything. I have changed the supply of plat and items, and I'm fairly confidant that no RMT's would happen if this was the scenario that the server decided to do....

of course that would never happen because the integrity of the game would be gone... but that handles your RMT issues.. so lets start making Vendors that give away free plat and items.

[Haynar]

Originally Posted by Yumyums Inmahtumtums [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you see what I see?

I see dead people ....