Melee Worthlessness - The Biggest Balance Problem There Is

[magnetaress]

10 ac matters more than 450hp.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Vivitron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I haven't done a ton of parsing and very little on level 60 players, but based on what I have seen, pets out damaging melee was much more common pre-kunark than post.

Yup. Maybe with epic mage pet or high level monster summoning you’d be able to compete but from Kunark on you’re not going to put DPS a pet if you have semi decent gear. And you’re going to put DPS a Necro pet for sure. Enchanter hasted charmed mob can prob put dps you but I don’t think that’s unbalanced since you’re taking a risk using a charmed hasted mob (not to mention if melees would be able to match mob dps the game would be ez mode).

[Bardp1999]

A charmed/hasted/weaponized pet does like literally 4 times the damage of a melee

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A charmed/hasted/weaponized pet does like literally 4 times the damage of a melee

So a hasted mage pet with summoned swords does more dps than a hasted Velious geared monk? Find that hard to believe.

Do you have parsing to show that?

[Vexenu]

The fact that melees and tanks in particular ARE weaker than casters and completely reliant on being geared out is, paradoxically, what makes them more fun to play in the long run. Gearing out a high level Mage is a particularly joyless experience, as you quickly realize that even great pieces of gear have essentially zero impact on your character's effectiveness. This applies to all casters to an extent, but much less so to melees. Warriors in particular are incredibly fun to gear out because they get so much value out of not only each individual worn item, but from the wide assortment of clickies and proc weapons they can use. Each new item your Warrior acquires noticeably enhances his abilities as a tank or increases his utility. The power curve of most casters increases only marginally wearing best in slot gear vs. quality tunnel bought gear. But the difference for melees between best in slot and tunnel gear is night and day. Over the long run, there is nothing more satisfying in EQ than gearing out a Warrior. It's a long term project that you can chip away at for literally years.

[Bardp1999]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So a hasted mage pet with summoned swords does more dps than a hasted Velious geared monk? Find that hard to believe.

Do you have parsing to show that?

Not a summoned pet, a charmed pet. Look at any raid parse for DPS and it will be a charmed pet doing about 10x damage of any actual player. Charm DPS is completely and utterly unbalanced on P99 (and on live TLPs)

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[Shinko]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

10 ac matters more than 450hp.

Na

I’ll take 450 hp over 10 ac any day

[azeth]

Rogues do the most damage of any class Classic->velious

[Bardp1999]

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