Recruitment Advice for AG

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by k9quaint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They did.
That is why AM made this thread.
They used to get 85% of the content.
This is not a haiku.

Actually AM is killing more now than they did before. Should facepalm yourself hard there.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Mud [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a rogue, if I were limited to a single item upgrade from Velious, it would be a 1H Primal. Nothing else measures up in a one-on-one comparison for our class. Dealing brutal DPS and surviving the encounter are equally important; your raid doesn't want mediocre DPS and they don't want avoidable deaths. Primals also have good HP and resists which belie your argument against the weapon.

Prospective rogues, keep that Primal Velium Spear at the top of your bid list.

BAHAHAHAHA.

This is why your guild fails.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BAHAHAHAHA.

This is why your guild fails.

TO advance this further. DPS is not a problem with killing the content. It never will be. All the content outside of AoW and Tunare was killed day 1 of Velious. With Kunark gear and Kunark Weapons. The upgrades in this era that are most important and will continue to be important is what keeps your raid force alive the longest. It is way more important in regards to rooted dragons and linked guards. So if your guild is focusing heavily on Sleepers thinking that is the biggest upgrade. Leave that guild immediately.

[Valakut]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol 2019 velious has me cringing hard

gong show

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by Littul Jonn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But the rooted dragons will change everything guys! /facepalm


Also, stop being so bad everyone then you wont be mad!

Quick break from RnF troll mode here....

Those numbers he listed include a large period of time before dragons were rooted. Without even counting it out, he looks like he's counting pretty much all of 2018 at least. Dragons were rooted, what, 2-3 months ago?

I would be curious to see what the stats look like before dragons were rooted and post dragons being rooted. I never said rooted dragons would solve everything, but I would be willing to bet a larger portion of targets (not just NToV mobs) go to other guilds post-root than did pre-root.

The time a guild is spending on one target is time they can't be spending on another target. It takes more time and effort to clear to and kill a rooted dragon than it does to pull to zone. It probably doesn't make much of a difference when the pops are very spread out but when pops are bunched up (and especially on quakes), while AM is clearing through trash in ToV is time where other guilds are able to get bosses they couldn't get if AM wasn't otherwise occupied.

Obviously there are multiple factors at play - for example I would expect AM got fewer mobs when Awakened was still around giving them direct competition, and I would expect that similarly their portion of the pie will suffer now that Riot is going strong, but just off the top of my head I don't remember Kittens and Blood Guard getting the targets they've been getting recently back before the root patch hit.

You may now return to calling eachother losers over your elf sim.

[rezzie]

I was too lazy to check the DKP logs, but it "feels" like we're getting more dragons post-rooting on natural spawns, but fewer on quakes.

Everything used to die within 3 hours of a quake. Now it stays up for 10+ hours.

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was too lazy to check the DKP logs, but it "feels" like we're getting more dragons post-rooting on natural spawns, but fewer on quakes.

Everything used to die within 3 hours of a quake. Now it stays up for 10+ hours.

Aye, but I do want to clarify I'm not just talking about the rooted dragons in ToV here. It's been said before, but rooted mobs can give an advantage to the larger or more capable force due to leapfrogging and being able to handle the boss + N adds simultaneously with a larger force, so when things are spawning one at a time, I would definitely expect AM to have an advantage there.

But looking at the bigger picture, if AM is clearing to a ToV dragon and an unrooted target spawns - NToV or not (Dain, KT, Statue, WToV, etc) other guilds now have more of a chance to go for it than they would before.

TL;DR: Trying to race AM for a rooted target is probably a bad strategy for most guilds, going for a different target while AM is busy on a rooted target is probably a good strategy for most guilds.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TO advance this further. DPS is not a problem with killing the content. It never will be. All the content outside of AoW and Tunare was killed day 1 of Velious. With Kunark gear and Kunark Weapons. The upgrades in this era that are most important and will continue to be important is what keeps your raid force alive the longest. It is way more important in regards to rooted dragons and linked guards. So if your guild is focusing heavily on Sleepers thinking that is the biggest upgrade. Leave that guild immediately.

well cool, no gear matters and you've min/maxed all the joy out of the game. ill take big backstabs over hp barbie still. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well cool, no gear matters and you've min/maxed all the joy out of the game. ill take big backstabs over hp barbie still. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then you will continue to fail on complicated engages with your guild. Because they are prioritizing the wrong things and so are you.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then you will continue to fail on complicated engages with your guild. Because they are prioritizing the wrong things and so are you.

That's not true, Lord Bob helped them get kills this week.