iksar necro - Page 7

Penish · #61 12-09-2023, 12:10 AM

lol'd

Duik · #62 12-09-2023, 02:23 AM

It's a lazydog danglin' sat'd'y afternoon here in AU.
What are the US numbats up to?
Personally I'm equiping my Gauntlets of Ogre Power to assist with my weekly shopping at the Swap-O-Mart in EC (East Canberra).
Fill me in wiff ya own experiences.
NO TROLLS PLS.

Edit bit
Lolocaust!
An attractive young vendor just said "Hello Duik, You look like you could use a root!"
Indeed!

Unuva Edit for post below--
Fuck you Zondo. Thats gold and chuck away names that also rock?
I'll have Hoboreckno so as to not annoy name conventions. You go girl. Zero sarcasm.

Elizondo · #63 12-09-2023, 02:32 AM

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Total cost of this gear = 20k

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https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_...StatsNonRaid01

You can still hit 201 INT with an Iksar in EC gear and free rot drops (+6 Neck is a free rot drop?) while also focusing on HP. A Necro can easily farm the money for this stuff just by killing guards while leveling.

Casters get 2.4 HP per STA, and 5.5 Mana per INT (over 200) at level 60. With 25 STA/5 INT on starting stats, you are looking at +60 HP vs. +138 Mana before you cap your INT with buffs and slightly better gear. After you cap INT you are getting +60 HP instead of +0 Mana.

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Total cost of THIS gear = 53K

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A Necro can easily farm the money for this stuff

Except you're forgetting what a necro should be farming for while leveling. A Circlet of Shadow.

I've never personally seen a +6 neck auctioned as a 'free rot drop'. Maybe someone else can chime in and help me out here. I didn't even factor in what the potential loot rights cost of that item would be. Let's say 6k + CoS. We're almost at 90K now.

Great advice to a new player looking to try necro. Maybe you should write a guide on the Wiki. It'll be a NYT Bestseller I'm sure.

So what is the practical advice I would give a new player that doesn't have 90k laying around the bank and they want to either try a necro or it's their first character and it's going to be a necro

What gear to buy and where to put points (scraping the bottom of the barrel for as cheap as possible items in EC tunnel), this is probably what I would do. Take it for what you will:

Starting points - 25 INT / 5 Str (Race - Iksar)

I prefer the front load of INT so I can maximize as many slots as possible to HP/Mana. This is what I prefer. Swap the str for sta. Go 50/50. Any combination (within reason) will work just fine. Your mileage may vary.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Poornewnecro

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Total cost of this gear = 3K

So with a minimal investment of 3K I have 150 less HP and 700 less mana. 700 less mana is considerable I'll grant you that. Gratz on being able to cast 1 additional Vexing Mordinia and Splurt at the cost of 56K. With Iksar regen and Lich I'm sure it will matter

Oh you have 5 more Str and sub 40 CHA. My bad.

You could even drop the Tattered Tomb Shroud for a Green Silken Drape

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_...Dirtbrokenecro

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You have now spent less than 3K, gained 10 CHA with a loss of 8HP. Your unbuffed poison and disease resist are at 45 and 55 respectively where the player that spent 53K is sitting at a poison and disease resist of 26

If you wanted to gain additional mana while retaining HP at the sacrifice of some strength for hauling loot you could make these changes and still stay at a total cost of 3K

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Hobonecro

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Any one of those dirt cheap combinations of gear will easily get you to 60 where you will want to be raiding anyways to get the gear that actually matters

DeathsSilkyMist · #64 12-09-2023, 03:20 AM

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I appreciate that you tried to give a proper answer this time. It was unfortunately spoiled by a number of unnecessary attacks on me. But we can put that aside for now, as this is progress!

1. https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_...StatsNonRaid01 - I used a 4+ neck here, not a 6+ neck. A 4+ neck is a free rot drop. It will save you some money on buying a Necklace of Superiority. Missing details like this is probably why you have a skewed interpretation of what I have been saying in this thread.

2. 20k is not difficult to get on a Necromancer. I made more than that on my SK killing guards while leveling, and a Necromancer can solo better than an SK.

3. I never said a Necro shouldn't be farming for a CoS or other clickies. The nice thing about EC items is you can always resell them as needed. Buy gear now to help you farm/level, then resell it for CoS when you have saved up enough plat + items.

4. I never claimed the gear combinations I provided were the absolute best combinations possible, or that they are the best fit for every player starting a Necromancer. You jumped to those conclusions for no logical reason. I was simply showing that INT is common on gear that is easily found in EC. I put a lot of cheap gear in both of my examples. The Magelo had a few expensive pieces, but you can swap them out for cheaper pieces. As I said in an earlier post, you could shave like 10k on the Magelo just by replacing Djarns and Sickly Orb with a 6/65 Ring and a Sandwitch. You'd only lose 25 HP.

5. I never claimed that a Necro needs expensive gear to get to 60. But since Necros are good at farming, a lot of people will end up buying/finding the gear they want while leveling.

6. https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_...Dirtbrokenecro This is a perfectly reasonable Magelo showing cheap gear. I have no problems with it. In your Magelo you would have 41 more INT than STA if you had put 25 points into STA and 5 points into INT. My point still stands that you are going to get a lot more INT from items than STA, even when you are focusing on +HP items specifically. That is why you will end up capping INT before STA, and why STA is generally the better starting stat. You yourself seemed to suggest that losing 700 mana isn't a big deal for you. That means you aren't too worried about the 230 mana you would lose from putting 25 points into STA and 5 points into INT. 288 mana if you put the 5 points into STR instead.

Duik · #65 12-09-2023, 06:24 AM

Thread End.

Elizondo · #66 12-09-2023, 07:39 PM

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I appreciate that you tried to give a proper answer this time. It was unfortunately spoiled by a number of unnecessary attacks on me. But we can put that aside for now, as this is progress!

1. https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_...StatsNonRaid01 - I used a 4+ neck here, not a 6+ neck. A 4+ neck is a free rot drop. It will save you some money on buying a Necklace of Superiority. Missing details like this is probably why you have a skewed interpretation of what I have been saying in this thread.

2. 20k is not difficult to get on a Necromancer. I made more than that on my SK killing guards while leveling, and a Necromancer can solo better than an SK.

Total cost of that gear (Magelo_Blue:TestNecroStatsNonRaid01) with CoS and NoS is more than 90K. Not 20K

Missing details like this is probably why you have a skewed interpretation of what I have been saying in this thread

Penish · #67 12-09-2023, 09:14 PM

DSM prob has a list of random points he wants to debate to the death on. Here’s a summary of his nonsense so far:

-There’s “math” to objectively say that ogres are the best shaman race.
-Shamans are a dps class and can out dps mages
-People can’t be mad about players voluntarily awakening the sleeper
-Shaman pets are tanks
-JBB is a min max item for shamans
-Clerics arent needed for 4 man content
-shamans offer more use to enchanters than clerics do
-shamans net the same pp per hour as an enchanter
-you should consider spamming taunt as +1 aggro every 6 seconds is better than nothing while ignoring the fact that there is a superior way to use taunt
-150 str on a monk is good enough
-you are trolling if you are not interested in my opinion
-iksar int is easy to max. You don’t need hp gear.
-you cannot claim ad populum yet my experience as a sk is good enough for this discussion

I’ll continue to monitor and track this so that people are aware of all these theories. I’m sure there’s some more I missed.

DeathsSilkyMist · #68 12-09-2023, 10:33 PM

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Total cost of that gear (Magelo_Blue:TestNecroStatsNonRaid01) with CoS and NoS is more than 90K. Not 20K

Missing details like this is probably why you have a skewed interpretation of what I have been saying in this thread

You missed multiple things again. Please read my full post. Stopping on the first two points is why you don't know what I am saying.

My 20k comment was referring to you mentioning the cost of the first item set. Did you forget that you posted the 20k number? You seemed to be suggesting 20k wasn't that easy to get.

You also didn't read where I said you can take quite a bit of cost off my magelo with a few simple replacements. You can shave 10k easily with only losing 25 HP. You could go further too. You also didn't read where I said you can resell items. You do know that you can buy something to help you in the short term, and resell it when you need the money for something else like CoS?

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DSM prob has a list of random points he wants to debate to the death on. Here’s a summary of his nonsense so far:

Penish and Crede can keep reposting that list of lies if they want. I can just refer back to this thread to prove I never said Iksar Necros don't need HP gear. It shows you are liars, and casts enough doubt on the rest of the list.

Please keep showing people you are liars. It doesn't hurt me. Clearly you are admitting defeat yet again in this thread. You are reduced to attacking people rather than countering anything I have said with facts and logic. I am not sure why you think people will believe proven liars.

Also beware of playing with Penish in the future:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...55#post3653255

He will purposely group with you under false pretenses and video record you in an attempt to capture you making a mistake. He will try to use this in the future as ammunition to try and discredit you. Unfortunately for him he isn't good enough at the game to understand basic game mechanics like camp cycling mobs, so he didn't get what he was after. I hope he posts the video so we can see proof that he does this to other players in game.

Crede isn't keeping very good company with another proven liar like Penish.

Elizondo · #69 12-09-2023, 11:18 PM

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You missed multiple things again. Please read my full post. Stopping on the first two points is why you don't know what I am saying.

My 20k comment was referring to you mentioning the cost of the first item set. Did you forget that you posted the 20k number? You seemed to be suggesting 20k wasn't that easy to get.

What I'm suggesting is that a smart player will invest 3k (or even less) into gearing a necro enough to get to 60 and dedicate all the money he makes leveling to getting his hands on a CoS as quickly as possible.

Not farming 20k for all Int gear with no hp and then working on farming another 30k to finally get a CoS. Your actual magelo where you claimed the items were 'easy to get' exceeds 50k and the poor sap that takes your bad advice is going to need to farm almost 90k to finally get his hands on the one item that matters. A CoS.

It's absurd and terrible advice

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You also didn't read where I said you can take quite a bit of cost off my magelo with a few simple replacements. You can shave 10k easily with only losing 25 HP. You could go further too. You also didn't read where I said you can resell items. You do know that you can buy something to help you in the short term, and resell it when you need the money for something else like CoS?

Why bother with all that? Sitting in the tunnel trying to move items when you can spend 3k and dedicate your time to getting levels and getting a CoS. Necros don't need a lot of Int or even a massive mana pool. What they need is efficient mana sustain. You get that by stacking hp. This is why Iksar is miles ahead any other necro race. They can sustain and not expel mana to regen lost health with inefficient lifetaps.

So the gap between us is more than 50k for a net gain of 150hp and 6-700 mana

Go ahead and shave off some plat by swapping out a few items but why stop there? Just go for the gear I listed and you're set. I even made a few adjustments and I'm still at 3k

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Skidrownecro

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I even have almost 90CHA with just a Crude Stein as an Iksar. Your 50k+ Magelo sits at a sub 40 CHA. More than a 50 point gap. Good luck lulling mobs in HS with that (even with CHA items in your bags). Better bring a lot of coffins and bags of emeralds.

DeathsSilkyMist · #70 12-09-2023, 11:31 PM

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What I'm suggesting is that a smart player will invest 3k (or even less) into gearing a necro enough to get to 60 and dedicate all the money he makes leveling to getting his hands on a CoS as quickly as possible.

Not farming 20k for all Int gear with no hp and then working on farming another 30k to finally get a CoS. Your actual magelo where you claimed the items were 'easy to get' exceeds 50k and the poor sap that takes your bad advice is going to need to farm almost 90k to finally get his hands on the one item that matters. A CoS.

It's absurd and terrible advice

Why bother with all that? Sitting in the tunnel trying to move items when you can spend 3k and dedicate your time to getting levels and getting a CoS. Necros don't need a lot of Int or even a massive mana pool. What they need is efficient mana sustain. You get that by stacking hp. This is why Iksar is miles ahead any other necro race. They can sustain and not expel mana to regen lost health with inefficient lifetaps.

You don't seem to realize that you can farm 20k, buy stuff with it, and resell the stuff to get the 20k back. Trying to tell people they should not do that is the only bad advise being given. Increasing the ability of your character while you are 30K short of a CoS by buying gear will allow you to farm money faster.

You don't need to sit in EC to sell gear these days, there is the forums and some great discord channels that keep track of EC. Just post your wares and keep playing normally. Just login for 30 seconds on a mule and sell the gear when you find a buyer.

There is no reason why a guy who spent 50k on items needs to keep all of those items lol. You don't need to keep all the gear and then farm the full amount for a CoS. Once you get enough plat + items for CoS, sell what you need to sell and get the CoS. No unnecessary farming needed.

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So the gap between us is more than 50k for a net gain of 150hp and 6-700 mana

Go ahead and shave off some plat by swapping out a few items but why stop there? Just go for the gear I listed and you're set. I even made a few adjustments and I'm still at 3k

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Skidrownecro

I even have almost 90CHA with just a Crude Stein as an Iksar. Your 50k+ Magelo sits at a sub 40 CHA. More than a 50 point gap. Good luck lulling mobs in HS with that (even with CHA items in your bags). Better bring a lot of coffins and bags of emeralds.

I don't know why you are trying to compete with my Magelo. Nowhere did I say my Magelo was the best Magelo out there, or that your Magelo was bad. I think your Magelo is fine. You simply missed what I said in my previous post, again. You really need to learn to read people's full posts before making comments:

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6. https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_...Dirtbrokenecro This is a perfectly reasonable Magelo showing cheap gear. I have no problems with it. In your Magelo you would have 41 more INT than STA if you had put 25 points into STA and 5 points into INT. My point still stands that you are going to get a lot more INT from items than STA, even when you are focusing on +HP items specifically. That is why you will end up capping INT before STA, and why STA is generally the better starting stat. You yourself seemed to suggest that losing 700 mana isn't a big deal for you. That means you aren't too worried about the 230 mana you would lose from putting 25 points into STA and 5 points into INT. 288 mana if you put the 5 points into STR instead.