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Old 04-05-2016, 12:03 AM
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It's not just Dragon Roar, but definitely the worst case. All the dragons in VP have resist mods on their AEs and shouldn't - same for Zlandicar's Stun Breath, etc.

Sontalak shouldn't be the hardest raid mob in Velious.
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Old 04-05-2016, 01:17 AM
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It's not just Dragon Roar, but definitely the worst case. All the dragons in VP have resist mods on their AEs and shouldn't - same for Zlandicar's Stun Breath, etc.

Sontalak shouldn't be the hardest raid mob in Velious.
He should be top 3. Vyemm and Aary were much harder on live due to a bug in the client receiving detrimental effects if spell effects weren't filtered (i.e., Vyemm knockback or Aary's "fake" mana drain even if behind wall). Turning on your filters (what was sent from server, not just what showed up in chat box) fixed the AEs while behind cover.

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Old 04-05-2016, 08:05 AM
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Well....

AoW and Tunare should crush all 3 of those encounters in terms of difficulty.

Sontalak specifically though, his AE is way off. For some reason a change was made to make his AE more frequent rather than his single target proc on the tank.

The Zlandicar AE is another issue with this. NPCs who have procs that are flagged as AE effects, during classic would only function as single target effects if they were triggered like procs.
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Old 04-05-2016, 09:50 AM
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He should be top 3. Vyemm and Aary were much harder on live due to a bug in the client receiving detrimental effects if spell effects weren't filtered (i.e., Vyemm knockback or Aary's "fake" mana drain even if behind wall). Turning on your filters (what was sent from server, not just what showed up in chat box) fixed the AEs while behind cover.

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And Vulak should also be casting Gate?!

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Vulak'Aerr was probably the most fun fight I have had ever. 24 min battle with very few deaths, but a lot of agro control problems and laughs out of it as epic eqiupped paladins traded agro, and everyone kept yelling to let them die. We finally got it settled down and agro set on our main tank who used his deffensive disc 2x. Once Vulak was slowed, 3 of us were able to rotate CH every 12-14 seconds for the duration with necros feeding us. Scary was when he tried to gate several times when he got below 10% health. 10% of Vulak's hp is a LOT of hp when all your melees are 70% slowed and you only have one DB casting wizard and one enchanter to mana tap him...
Also, based on these comments regarding melee being slowed, I believe the Vulak AoE should not have disease counters. While our recent patch notes say that the AoE now has magic based resist checks, you can still cure it with Abolish Disease. Seems like it should be magic based resist check + magic counters.
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Old 04-05-2016, 09:56 AM
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The Zlandicar AE is another issue with this. NPCs who have procs that are flagged as AE effects, during classic would only function as single target effects if they were triggered like procs.
Yep, Stun Breath should be a single target as it's a proc on Zlandikar (but not on Phara Dar). I don't know how they coded that and it doesn't show up in Lucy but any classic posts/raid guides you can find on Zlandicar ONLY the tank is mentioned to have to worry about Stun Breath.

Same goes for that Grav Flux proc from some of the dragons in WW (Cargalia, Von, Sapara's).
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Also, based on these comments regarding melee being slowed, I believe the Vulak AoE should not have disease counters. While our recent patch notes say that the AoE now has magic based resist checks, you can still cure it with Abolish Disease. Seems like it should be magic based resist check + magic counters.
That's strange.
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Old 04-05-2016, 12:45 PM
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Well....

AoW and Tunare should crush all 3 of those encounters in terms of difficulty.

Sontalak specifically though, his AE is way off. For some reason a change was made to make his AE more frequent rather than his single target proc on the tank.

The Zlandicar AE is another issue with this. NPCs who have procs that are flagged as AE effects, during classic would only function as single target effects if they were triggered like procs.
Sontalak is never killed anymore.

On a server dominated by neckbeards that typically do not let a target of this level remain in it's natural habitat for longer than the time it takes to cast a CoH.

Say what you want about the fear and other AEs but this fact alone should be enough evidence that Sontalak is overtuned to the point of redonkulous. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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That's strange.
ZAM still shows it with disease counters but i couldnt find anything about whether the actual resist check is magic or not.

It wouldnt be the first case of a spell that had a different resist check and different counter though. I believe the Tash line is considered an unresistable magic type spell but it has a poison counter.
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Old 04-05-2016, 01:16 PM
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Tash is cured with poison for some reason but is a magic based spell ( even tho unresistable )

so yes thats about the only other similar example
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ZAM still shows it with disease counters but i couldnt find anything about whether the actual resist check is magic or not.

It wouldnt be the first case of a spell that had a different resist check and different counter though. I believe the Tash line is considered an unresistable magic type spell but it has a poison counter.
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