Verant Logic: Necromancer vs Magician

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to play a mage do it on the DeyBreak servers.

Ya I did, had a lev 115ish mage that I box’d with necro main on FV server there

Mages make great box chars because they come with a built in tank and require very little effort to play. Generally box groups do best with a “busy” class paired with a “passive” class. In fact everything you need to do on mags could be handled by a /castsequence macro

[starkind]

How does mage vs necro fair in pvp, lets assume no one gets the initiative they both round a hill and are fully buffed and petted up and there they are within spitting distance of each other, and they both feel like engaging (actually a bad idea for the necro to engage in that situation)

[azxten]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How does mage vs necro fair in pvp, lets assume no one gets the initiative they both round a hill and are fully buffed and petted up and there they are within spitting distance of each other, and they both feel like engaging (actually a bad idea for the necro to engage in that situation)

lol...

Necro shits all over Mage in PvP.

First, the Mage can't stop the Necro pet without lucky short term pet roots but the Necro can root the Mage pet. On a real server, unlike P99, channeling through melee hits isn't easy. Also on a real server, unlike P99, the mage pet didn't root immediately on engage and it was much more random. Plus in PvP both classes have high MR negating root but the Mage has basically nothing to negate a necro pet following them around hitting them. They can't buff their own pet's MR to any significant degree to stop the Necro rooting it.

Second, Necros can lifetap. Even if the Mage spams nukes and the Necro spams lifetap the Mage loses. This doesn't even get into Mage MR based nukes where their bolt lines are longer casting fire based and can be avoided via line of sight tricks.

Third, Necros can DoT and Mages can't. The Necro just has to put 1 high dmg fast DoT out and start life tapping. The Mage now HAS to dispell this or they will die and meanwhile is just getting lifetapped or nuked or DoTed more and is also being hit by the pet most likely.

Mage was a terrible, terrible PvP class. Absolutely terrible in any kind of classic era situation. Necro was close to OP in PvP especially in this kind of one on one situation.

I miss real PvP. I'll always remember using Ice Comet to one shot Enchanters lol. Had one Enchanter come back over and over trying everything they could and I would just one shot them every time. EQ PvP was so hilariously unbalanced.

[NotCaros]

Mages can bank and vendor in Qeynos.

Most necros probably can't...

Therefore they're completely balanced according to original devs calculus.

Later devs? They were still the same devs.

[Bardp1999]

Necro is the master class

[branamil]

Well in Velious, yes, Mages are probably the worst class. Maybe they're more balanced in later expansions. It's kind of a joke how worthless mages are. You can combine wizards and mages and they'd still be like in the worst 3 classes. If they didn't have coth there'd probably be more halfling paladins than mages logged in

[Swish]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol...

Necro shits all over Mage in PvP.

First, the Mage can't stop the Necro pet without lucky short term pet roots but the Necro can root the Mage pet. On a real server, unlike P99, channeling through melee hits isn't easy. Also on a real server, unlike P99, the mage pet didn't root immediately on engage and it was much more random. Plus in PvP both classes have high MR negating root but the Mage has basically nothing to negate a necro pet following them around hitting them. They can't buff their own pet's MR to any significant degree to stop the Necro rooting it.

Second, Necros can lifetap. Even if the Mage spams nukes and the Necro spams lifetap the Mage loses. This doesn't even get into Mage MR based nukes where their bolt lines are longer casting fire based and can be avoided via line of sight tricks.

Third, Necros can DoT and Mages can't. The Necro just has to put 1 high dmg fast DoT out and start life tapping. The Mage now HAS to dispell this or they will die and meanwhile is just getting lifetapped or nuked or DoTed more and is also being hit by the pet most likely.

Mage was a terrible, terrible PvP class. Absolutely terrible in any kind of classic era situation. Necro was close to OP in PvP especially in this kind of one on one situation.

I miss real PvP. I'll always remember using Ice Comet to one shot Enchanters lol. Had one Enchanter come back over and over trying everything they could and I would just one shot them every time. EQ PvP was so hilariously unbalanced.

Enchanters had fun too though. Before some changes when you could charm/haste/etc the vendors it was a lot of fun to target someone trying to bank and send a hasted vendor at them. Sure the bankers are starting to come for you but a lot of the time the victim died if they couldn't gate, just spamming /pet attack at a feigned monk etc as you flee isn't going to stop the onslaught for long.

[Toxigen]

Anyone that claims necro is "jack of all, master of none" is a really shitty necro / player in general.

Hope this helps.

[starkind]

necros aren't masters of nukes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] or quad kiting or quint kiting!

necros aren't the masters of healing

necro pets are keuuwt not that great tho (unless they charmed something than it's not fair that spell is dumb)

[Trexller]

I was wrong.

They do fear kite better than any other class

A necro equipped with Staff of the Dreaded Gaze is a master of baiting