Now that we have confirmed the competitive mechanics on p99 can be cheated...

[Naethyn]

So we are worried about a hypothetical situation that may occur based on past experiences on this server. That's fine. Lets try this, and when change is needed again it will happen. For now, quakes are competition. Rolls are also training your competition on beating these mobs. This is going to be one of the greatest ages of competition on the server, and worrying about possible future situations doesn't really matter right now.

[Naethyn]

Unless of course this isn't really about hypothetical situations in the future, and it is actually about not being able to lord over pixels by poopsock. If that is the case, sorry you didn't get to lordship.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lets try this, and when change is needed again it will happen.

So if these changes (rolls on ring war, bag limits, rolls on kael/dain spawn) are from Riot crying, how is there honor in ridiculing their main competitor for having complaints about the changes?

That's honestly the main issue here. Riot cries and cries and cries until they get their way while still acting sanctimoniously in the UN and refusing to concede on a lot of their faults (remember the Silverwing tracker FTE situation that their leadership REFUSED to acknowledge as tracker FTE and their regular members had to force them to post the concession?!). Not to mention how they acted when originally approached by Freedom/Vanquish leadership to make changes to the raid meta about how things were fine like they were.

But now that they've lost any leverage for bargaining, they've resorted to fabricating evidence of cheating and crying to GMs to get changes.

These are not organic changes to benefit the server or all parties involved. These changes serve one purpose: to extend the raiding viability of Riot officers that still have DKP to spend.

Once the rest of yall look past your petty squabbles with Vanquish leadership, you'll realize how toxic this has been for the server.

[Naethyn]

Again, what about the new meta is not fostering more competition? Is this really about past gripes not being resolved? Is it about constant cheating that has shifted each meta by the same person? Step back and think if you really want competition, or if you actually just want to justify lording over pixels from past wrong doings. Stop worrying about hypothetical situations in the future. We are here now, and it’s not because of complaining - it’s because cheating and doing anything to maintain pixel lordship.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is complaining about increased quake frequency. You're conflating two different things here.

The rolls on respawn are anti-competitive and will just put more life support to a guild that fought tooth and nail against allowing new entities into their happy little rotations.

There are valid concerns regarding the proposed frequency in quakes, however, as in the past the server was promised multiple quakes a month and still averaged less than 1.

Only follow-through on the promise by server staff will ease these concerns, but never eliminate them as the quakes could fall off again like they did last time.

What makes you think compliance is optional based on quake frequency, bossypants?

[hotkarlmarxbros]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is complaining about increased quake frequency. You're conflating two different things here.

The rolls on respawn are anti-competitive and will just put more life support to a guild that fought tooth and nail against allowing new entities into their happy little rotations.

There are valid concerns regarding the proposed frequency in quakes, however, as in the past the server was promised multiple quakes a month and still averaged less than 1.

Only follow-through on the promise by server staff will ease these concerns, but never eliminate them as the quakes could fall off again like they did last time.

Why are rolls anti-competitive but having engagements that are exploitable not anti-competitive?

[Prismaticshop]

Rolling for pixel foodstamps is as uncompetitive as it gets

just root Dain/Kael, and watch guilds move to targets (you do it in NtoV already, and this works well, why not do it in Kael?)

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by hotkarlmarxbros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are rolls anti-competitive but having engagements that are exploitable not anti-competitive?

First of all, just because something is exploitable does not mean it has been exploited. The only proven cheater at this point is a Riot officer named Kickenit. Nobody wanted a rules change for the infraction. It would have been satisfactory with a punishment for the player/guild.

Second, rolling swings the solution too far into the other direction. At least ring roll allows a week of competitive turn ins. Why wasn't this mirrored for kael/dain? Why is there zero feedback or discussion with GMs for tuning this decision or proposing alternatives?

Players from both sides need to be allowed at the table. Since Riot now has an officer embedded as a GM, the only solution is to also promote a player from Vanquish to be GM.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, what about the new meta is not fostering more competition? Is this really about past gripes not being resolved? Is it about constant cheating that has shifted each meta by the same person? Step back and think if you really want competition, or if you actually just want to justify lording over pixels from past wrong doings. Stop worrying about hypothetical situations in the future. We are here now, and it’s not because of complaining - it’s because cheating and doing anything to maintain pixel lordship.

Honestly this should be the last post in the thread. These losers really just want to have their own Zerg guild own everything on an emulated server for a 23 year old game. It’s the saddest thing.

They go from Zerg guild to Zerg guild. It’s vanquish, before that it was riot, before that it was guilds like aftermath. It’s the same core people for ten years who somehow care this much…it’s honestly crazy how they could have nothing going for themselves in RL such that this is what they spend their time getting wound up about. This is a hobby and they treat it like their lives.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The post I quoted started with an implied subject and later defined it as YOU. YOU is a pronoun, second person in this case. I was the person replied to, therefor I am YOU.

It's not that hard. Maybe yall shouldn't use shit grammar and try to make fun of people for calling you out on your shit grammar.

Doesn't make him any less of a moran. I still cannot control quakes.

Again I think you’re just proving your poor reading comprehension and explaining why to you won’t work because if you have poor reading comprehension you won’t be able to understand it lol