Is this ninja looting or at least against the rules?

[Archemil]

A player kills a quest NPC, logs off to get an Alt to loot it. While logged off another player comes across the dead NPC and has no idea what is going on and loots the NPC.

Player who looted gets banned. This doesn't seem right to me.

[Seducio]

P99s rules does consider it Ninja Looting. I know it's not like that on all EQ servers out there, but that is how P99 does it. Def be semi-careful looting open corpses especially if there is a desirable item on the corpse that whoever killed the mob would most likely want but its still on the corpse.

In theory if you wait until corpse is nearly gone you could loot it with 15 secs left and be fine because player who killed obviously isn't coming back. Account sharing is something that is allowed here and players that have been around a while typically do have more than one account generally so that is what it's protecting.

Pretty sure these types of violations are suspensions and not full bans though for this rule. You should be able to get some info if you Petition here on forums. If it is a suspension you will be able to log back in after a small amount of time off. It may have changed but OG rules a while back were something like one offense is 7 days, two offenses is 14, etc. I'm not sure if that's still how it is.

Basically you have a one week vacation from P99 most likely.

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4. You may not Ninja Loot.
Ninja looting defined is when a player, disregarding the players or player who killed a mob, loots an item that is generally regarded as significant or valuable from the mob they did not kill. This is strictly prohibited and will result in removal of the item(s) and any appropriate disciplinary action.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=325349
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[magnetaress]

It should be legal. Account sharing shenanigans should be inherently risk.

[Guesty07]

You may not loot any mob that you did not kill without permission

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It should be legal. Account sharing shenanigans should be inherently risk.

I agree with this -- if you leave an item on a corpse with no one to lock it -- it should be a risk to log out, log into another toon to loot.

I also get the reason why the rule is in place. Say you have a 60 druid and you kill a level 35 quest NPC so your level 14 troll shaman can get their snare necklace.

But - get a friend maybe? Tell your friend to lock the corpse while you log over. Or just wait until you're level appropriate to do the quest? Or maybe get some help with the quest on the toon you want it looted on? There's lots of other options rather than leaving an item on a corpse, logging out, and then petitioning when someone loots it when youre logged out.

It also contradicts other rules. If someone is killing a spawn, and logging out in between respawns to play another toon. (Say in a zone with a 27 minute respawn on named PH) Then another player can log in, sit at the camp and claim it because there's nobody there. But if we go by the loot rules, then the original player should still have claim even though they were logged out. (Spoiler: they don't)

Suspending players who unknowingly loot another player's quest item because they logged out only reinforces the uber-leet-antisocial-players' behavior of playing a multiplayer game completely solo.

[fortior]

You are only allowed to loot corpses of mobs you killed. Anything else is at your own risk.

[Seducio]

Totally see where you are coming from zelld.

The p99 usage of Account Sharing is built into the meta of raiding and top guilds. So this rule is essentially protecting those with access to more than one account more than the young scrub or newer player with just one character that comes across an empty corpse with a cool desirable item on it.

It's one of the ways that p99 encourages lawyerquesting. Because p99 is top heavy there are many rules setup for the folks that raid to try and minimize disputes there for CSR. This is an example of a rule that impacts the raiders to create an understanding so ninja looters don't come in and get important loot off raid mobs as DKP is being discussed, but when the same rule cascades down it can hit an unsuspecting player who wouldn't know any better. A sad situation where the ones who leverage the rule system designed to protect the top players can hurt someone who unintentionally wasn't trying to rock the boat.

I don't see this changing anytime soon as the meta for p99 is fairly well treaded at this point.

[fortior]

No, the rules are extremely clear cut and simple. You can only freely loot corpses that belong to you, rest is at your own peril.

They're not banning a new player for looting a fine steel sword off some guard's corpse. OP is not telling the entire story.

[Seducio]

Huh? Nobody is talking about fine steel in this thread.

[eqravenprince]

There are 2 minutes to loot a corpse before it becomes a free for all to loot. If the Devs didn't want anyone else looting, then that's a simple code change.