2020 Election MEGAthread

[Mota]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wouldn't compare US to Asia. The cultures and peoples couldn't possibly be more different. Compare US to EU instead.

Effects of lockdown compliance (including virtue-signaling but nearly-useless measures like mask-wearing for the healthy):

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So let's look back.

Coronavirus comes on strong in March and April. Both EU and US announce lockdown measures. The Europeans comply like the good order-followers they are. The US, not so much since we have a system where every governor gets to ignore any federal orders as they please. Some states like New York and New Jersey imprison everyone inside but other states are defiant.

So June comes and the EU folks are all locked down and the US people are starting to really get tired of it and start breaking the rules even more. The US infection rate spikes...then starts to go lower at precisely the same time the EU rate starts to go up. That's weird right? Like the EU has been following the rules completely!

Then in September the lines nearly meet, then they both start trending up because the weather is getting colder and the traditional flu season is just around the corner. But the US rate is much lower and also not trending at the same rate. What is going on? Why are the non-mask wearing rule-breaking Americans doing better than the Europeans?

Put strong restrictions in place, do better than US. Lesson restrictions, EU gets as bad as US. Is this suppose to be revelatory? Not to mention the US and EU aren't monoliths but a patchwork of responses. My state is has some of the lowest rates in the US, we're doing a really good job keeping cases down and are about half the US per capita rate. Germany's numbers are about 1/3 of my state and makes us look like we have no clue what the fuck we're doing. But EU bad right?

[Mota]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People need to quit pretending that we can actually impact the natural course of this.

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by Mota [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is this suppose to be revelatory?

I'm just saying there we were, and here we are. The EU as a whole definitely locked down earlier and harder and for longer and more consistently than the US and what difference did it make today? At this moment?

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But EU bad right?

Future people will decide whether we did good or bad ultimately or who did worse. Many years from now statisticians will be able to pour through all the records and maybe declare that for every 1 person we saved from a severe respiratory infection we condemned 1 person to die from suicide, 1 person to die from hunger, and 1 person to die from untreated medical conditions and we also collectively lowered the IQ of the entire world by 5 points due to lack of proper schooling.

Boy are we going to look motherfucking stupendously stupid then. If they say that, that is. We'll know later - we don't know shit now.

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by Mota [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imagine believing conspiracies when they involve evil leftists but not thinking this laptop is fishy.

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

responded before but also..

Guiliani was on Crowder's podcast https://www.facebook.com/stevencrowd...72240174224258

He claims Hunter Biden's lawyer contacted him regarding the drive and asked for it back. I'm not sure how much proof anyone needs that something belongs to someone when they ask to have it back because it's theirs. Rudy says he has emails from the lawyer and I mean those either are real or not and super-easy to verify because it's Hunter Biden's lawyer not Putin.

Second, and I credit Matt Taibbi, so the Russians found a hard drive with real pictures of Hunter Biden with a meth pipe -- but then they added fake emails to the drive? Like that makes sense? Really? Or they constructed the entire drive from scratch, with all the content on it, with the pornos of Hunter they already had, and the meth pictures they already had, and they added those emails to the thousands of innocent emails they also constructed?

I'm really trying, really really, to give as much credit as I can do the old and yet still-somehow-current Democrat rant that "Putin did everything!" but I'm coming up blank.

[Woke Locc]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guiliani was on Crowder's podcast https://www.facebook.com/stevencrowd...72240174224258

He claims Hunter Biden's lawyer contacted him regarding the drive and asked for it back. I'm not sure how much proof anyone needs that something belongs to someone when they ask to have it back because it's theirs. Rudy says he has emails from the lawyer and I mean those either are real or not and super-easy to verify because it's Hunter Biden's lawyer not Putin.

Second, and I credit Matt Taibbi, so the Russians found a hard drive with real pictures of Hunter Biden with a meth pipe -- but then they added fake emails to the drive? Like that makes sense? Really? Or they constructed the entire drive from scratch, with all the content on it, with the pornos of Hunter they already had, and the meth pictures they already had, and they added those emails to the thousands of innocent emails they also constructed?

I'm really trying, really really, to give as much credit as I can do the old and yet still-somehow-current Democrat rant that "Putin did everything!" but I'm coming up blank.

What part is damning for the candidate?

He got an email from a Ukrainian??

[BlackBellamy]

The part where the Ukrainian guy says thanks Hunter for getting that meeting with your father when everyone remembers Joe saying he never met the guy. Also the part where Hunter tells his daughter he won't treat her like Joe treats him; making him give 50% of all the money as a kickback. There's some more where Hunter is asking a Chinese guy if the deal has changed, because as he understood it he would be getting tons of money for him and his dad and now it seemed the Chinese guy was changing the deal.

I wasn't going to mention it this early because yesterday it was only one day, but today it's been a couple of days where Biden is starting to trend downward in several key battleground states. Looks like the voters are starting to pay attention to Rudy's gambit. Twitter and FB did everyone a giant favor when they started censoring the story so that way they Streisanded it to hell and back and everyone at least knows something is going on. Good job Jack Dorsey, you fucking cretin, you helped sink Biden!

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Look at the blue line. Look at it dip in all 5 states above. Will the dip continue? What else will Rudy reveal?

This is very exciting.

[Woke Locc]

When Russia invaded Ukraine in early 2014, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. pressed President Barack Obama to take decisive action, and fast, to make Moscow “pay in blood and money” for its aggression. The president, a Biden aide recalled, was having none of it.

Mr. Biden worked Mr. Obama during their weekly private lunches, imploring him to increase lethal aid, backing a push to ship FGM-148 Javelin anti-tank missiles to Kiev. The president flatly rejected the idea and dispatched him to the region as an emissary, cautioning him “about not overpromising to the Ukrainian government”

[Mota]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guiliani was on Crowder's podcast https://www.facebook.com/stevencrowd...72240174224258

He claims Hunter Biden's lawyer contacted him regarding the drive and asked for it back. I'm not sure how much proof anyone needs that something belongs to someone when they ask to have it back because it's theirs. Rudy says he has emails from the lawyer and I mean those either are real or not and super-easy to verify because it's Hunter Biden's lawyer not Putin.

Second, and I credit Matt Taibbi, so the Russians found a hard drive with real pictures of Hunter Biden with a meth pipe -- but then they added fake emails to the drive? Like that makes sense? Really? Or they constructed the entire drive from scratch, with all the content on it, with the pornos of Hunter they already had, and the meth pictures they already had, and they added those emails to the thousands of innocent emails they also constructed?

I'm really trying, really really, to give as much credit as I can do the old and yet still-somehow-current Democrat rant that "Putin did everything!" but I'm coming up blank.

The point is both sides have horseshit like this going on. If this is legit it's likely lots of Trump accusations are too. There's too much of this my side is correct crap. People believe the conspiracies that fit their side and ignore the ones that attack them and it's hilarious.

Like I said before, maybe DOJ should do something about it? I don't consider it fishy because I don't like Trump. I consider it fishy because the govt response was to do nothing for 10 months then whine about it. If these emails are real and the response is to bitch and whine then who gives a fuck? That means it's an inept admin who allows criminals to run free despite having evidence of crimes, or what Hunter did was legal (making him smart like Trump).

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[BlackBellamy]

In his 2014 memoir, Worthy Fights, Leon Panetta, Obama’s director of the Central Intelligence Agency at the time of the National Security Council meeting in question, wrote (on page 318) that at the meeting, “Biden argued that we still did not have enough confidence that bin Laden was in the compound, and he came out firmly in favor of waiting for more information.”

In his 2014 memoir, Duty, then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates wrote that he and Biden were “the two primary skeptics” of the raid during national security team meetings that were held in March and April 2011 to debate whether to strike the compound. Gates wrote that “Biden’s primary concern was the political consequences of failure.”

During the fateful meeting in question on April 28, 2011, Gates said “Biden was against the operation.”

And in her 2014 memoir, Hard Choices, then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton wrote only that “Vice President Biden remained skeptical” and had “concerns about the risks of a raid.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/01/bi...in-laden-raid/

He was wrong on Ukraine and he was wrong on Bin Laden.

I hate saying Obama was right about both of these but he was. Getting involved in intercine Slavic border-disputes is usually a bad idea. Everyone forgets that The Ukraine as it presently is was a construct state of the USSR and as such had it's borders determined for different considerations than 'welp we should make it like a real country in case something happens in the future'. The Crimea is not Ukrainian. It belonged to various Tatars and such and then to the Russians. Ukrainians compose 11% of the population there. Same with the Don-Bass. That's ethnic Russian.

We really need to stop trying to "destabilize" Russia by providing arms to the idiots they are trying to deal with. We should encourage Russia to stabilize it's borders and settle all disputes with it's former client states so we can all move on.