Warrior Weapon HATE Tables

[Pint]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How are you guys getting these numbers?

They're making them up

[Sonderbeast]

My question is: Why do warriors hate tables so much in the first place?

[aaezil]

Epic seems better willsapper seems worse. Wonder what class that guy who said sapper is better now plays?

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They're making them up

For now? Yeah we pretty much are. Prior to the patch this stuff was pretty well understood in a more generalized sense.

Poison counter ~300 threat per counter
Disease counter about the same per counter
Stun around 450-500
Blind about the same
Snare ~250-300 threat
DD = amount of nuke was the threat
Lifetap threat = double the DD component
Debuff around 400-450
Red Epic was known
DoT = about 1:1 for the sum total the dot would do? (this is the only one not understood)

Once you knew the basic general rule you could pretty easily estimate the threat of a proc by looking at the spell itself and breaking it down.

[elwing]

Aren't hate limited to 400 on any non-class spells?

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by elwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Aren't hate limited to 400 on any non-class spells?

Pretty sure thats only the case for non damage procs

[DMN]

I remember back in kunark that tash stcks were really popular with raid warriors despite their bad ratio Maybe it was just in the offhand tho? Which makes me then wonder the simplicity of the hate estimations. Then again it might have just been done to make it easier facilitate the landing of mal and slow without having to have enchanters instagibbed tashing.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure thats only the case for non damage procs

That was apparently the intent, at least according to the notes, but anyone who can cast a spell can tell you that spellthreat has has been changed across the board. Perhaps a glitch, perhaps not, but whatever the case the players need to deal with it.

Danth

[mizzbiscuits]

“Haynar: Fixed a bug in adding hate from spells, that was introduced with the out of class spell hate cap. Spells with a specific hate adder, were losing their hate from the spell effects.”

...from just reading this without testing, sounds like a benefit for warriors? I’ve noticed even at tanking UR & MM that effects aren’t very snappy.

[ApexNews]

numbers seem off but the cause is noble. if you have a reproducible test to gather data i would be willing to help. i have many high end pixels to test with.