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Great find! If you'll allow me to sum up some of the research so far, I feel like we have a very strong case for sneak pulling being classic.
Earliest post on that thread that mentions sneak pulling is Sept 28th, 2000. Quote:
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Regardless of if ranged-weapons-breaking-sneak is in-era or not, there is plenty of evidence that firing a ranged weapon and then hitting sneak (if sneak was successful) reduced the aggro radius of your tag in classic EQ.
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^ this is all excellent. You may want to add links for each of those quotes.
I'm also curious if anyone asked on thesafehouse forums if there's more proof out there? As a rogue on live in classic, I'm kind of flabbergasted there isn't stronger documentation. I'm pretty sure I learned about this from the forums, and I quit my rogue long before Luclin came out. | ||
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Looks like a lot of contemporary testimony contradicts the idea sneak pulling ever being a thing, a least before they made changes to sneak only breaking when you got hit.
There were countless times back in the day where people would say things like: "Casting a spell will pull less/more adds compared to X" "aggro pulling will pull less/more adds compared to X" " throwing/shooting will pull less/more adds compared to X" Notice the pattern? (Aggro pulling is just walking into aggro range while visible, sometimes called "face pulling" back then.) Thing is, I'm pretty sure this all was the result of people not recognizing the level difference of the mobs they had this first "experience" with, yet they would always swear up and down that "that's the way it works". They didn't recognize that just gaining a level or 2 can completely change how man adds you got on a certain pull, or that many mobs have a wide range of levels while conning exactly the same. This lead to a lot of people claiming "myths" as gospel. or sometimes they just repeat the myth they heard someone else say because they wan to seem knowledgeable. | ||
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Bump.
Outside of DMN's rant about how he has a "feeling" that others had a "feeling" of something he doesn't "feel" is not classic, a lot of solid information here that should at least be addressed if not changed. | ||
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So I recently returned and startedf playing my ranger again and decided to test out how sneak pulling WAS working on project 1999 Currently.
Test 1 sneak on shoot at the 4 spawn behind bandit hill in west karana level 16 ranger 100 range bow 150 range arrows. shooting face up hill shot closes bandit 3 come 4th one furthest one back does not come. Repeated this 4 times to make sure behavior was corret. test 2 2 spawn bandits half way along road to north karana just north of the 4 spawns 4 tent bandit camp. these two always pulling no matter if i had sneak on they are simply to close together to sneak pull. Leveled my ranger to level 17 move lake of ill omen. Test 3 4 spawn of iksar bandits /mauraders. building half way across the valley to cabals city. two of spawns are further than other 2 spawn who stand next to each other in a doorway of ruined building. Could easily pull singly the two farthest spawns with sneak on. AS in west karana if the mobs are close to each other you will pull them together even if you have sneak on. As some have posted Distance between the mobs you are trying to split is what really matter when sneak pulling.
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I know pretty done to death, but stumbled across this post on Dolalin's archive engine. Seems to imply that hide (i.e. invis) was a factor and that no mob you are pulling in the group can see through your invis or it will fail. Basically throw an item (which disengages hide/sneak) and while it is in the air but before hitting target you need to successfully reapply. Post is dated 3/16/2001:
https://web.archive.org/web/20030414...icID=172.topic Quote:
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