Server policing expectations

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by durag5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was on of the third parties in this "indecent" and every excuse that has come up for the GM's behavior is incorrect other than what the GM was doing personally (dog needed to potty?).

• Did OPs friend deserve a warning? Yes
  
• Did OPS friend deserve a suspension for technically breaking rules by KS accidentally 1 time? Maybe?
  
• Is 7 days suspension way overkill for a long time player on a first offense who did not say anything offensive in a "tell war"? Absolutely

The only nasty words were said by the other party who was ranting and raving with walls of texts about one accidental KS pull that we thought he accidentally pulled from us.

someone ban this guy for staff bashing, run a namencheck on aon all toons housed on every account associated with his IP and rename nonconforming ones.

and ban OP too for 3Ping with him.

[durag5]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

someone ban this guy for staff bashing, run a namencheck on aon all toons housed on every account associated with his IP and rename nonconforming ones.

and ban OP too for 3Ping with him.

Would love for you to point out where I bashed staff.

Saying a punishment is overkill is far from a bash.

[wtsgoodtime]

Originally Posted by durag5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was on of the third parties in this "indecent" and every excuse that has come up for the GM's behavior is incorrect other than what the GM was doing personally (dog needed to potty?).

• Did OPs friend deserve a warning? Yes
  
• Did OPS friend deserve a suspension for technically breaking rules by KS accidentally 1 time? Maybe?
  
• Is 7 days suspension way overkill for a long time player on a first offense who did not say anything offensive in a "tell war"? Absolutely

The only nasty words were said by the other party who was ranting and raving with walls of texts about one accidental KS pull that we thought he accidentally pulled from us.

"Indecent"!? I think you meant incident.

All I heard was petitioner was sending walls of text and we didn't really think much of it because if he broke the rules, it was accidental.

[wtsgoodtime]

Originally Posted by durag5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would love for you to point out where I bashed staff.

Saying a punishment is overkill is far from a bash.

Hey, I think it is important to remember that we are playing on a free server with volunteers. So thanks to the staff for doing your best. Trying to set expectations on player behavior and disciplinary outcomes helps build community and prevent conflict imo.

[Irulan]

Originally Posted by durag5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was on of the third parties in this "indecent" and every excuse that has come up for the GM's behavior is incorrect other than what the GM was doing personally (dog needed to potty?).

• Did OPs friend deserve a warning? Yes
  
• Did OPS friend deserve a suspension for technically breaking rules by KS accidentally 1 time? Maybe?
  
• Is 7 days suspension way overkill for a long time player on a first offense who did not say anything offensive in a "tell war"? Absolutely

The only nasty words were said by the other party who was ranting and raving with walls of texts about one accidental KS pull that we thought he accidentally pulled from us.

I for one am glad our 1st Amendment rights are strictly protected on this server.

[durag5]

Originally Posted by Irulan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I for one am glad our 1st Amendment rights are strictly protected on this server.

A large amount of people say the GMs side with the one not blowing up in tells vs the other party. Just saying it didn't happen and was exactly the opposite.

[Triiz]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You cant 'camp' outdoor mobs. Ask any Druid who has ever quadded their way to 60 how many f#cks are given if someone comes and starts stealing your quad mobs. Answer: zero f#cks given. Seafuries are definitely FTE regardless of weather you can keep the entire island down or not.

Nope. Not that it really matters now that Seafuries suck, but back in the day you could definitely "camp" a single spawn. The one by the tree at the druid rings was best cause you could sit right on the spawn and still nail 2-3 other spawns with a javelin without moving and not as many people tried to FTE them as the top of hill spawns. It was shitty plat, but sometimes it was better than getting no spawns when 10 people were there.

Wrong. I guess I should have been more clear in my explanation. If you are sitting on a single spawn point, then sure, you can "camp" it. But if you and another player are camping 1 spawn point each, and fighting over a 3rd spawn point (that is not camped by someone), that NPC then becomes FTE. Don't expect to sit on multiple spawn points and claim it as a camp, you get 1 spawn point, the rest are FTE.

Not sure how to quote closed threaads but that^^ is Llandris re: seafury camping

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Triiz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure how to quote closed threaads but that^^ is Llandris re: seafury camping

For future reference you add "= Llandris" inside the quote tag. So (using parenthesis instead of brackets):


(QUOTE=Llandris)some quote(/QUOTE)

[wtsgoodtime]

Originally Posted by Triiz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope. Not that it really matters now that Seafuries suck, but back in the day you could definitely "camp" a single spawn. The one by the tree at the druid rings was best cause you could sit right on the spawn and still nail 2-3 other spawns with a javelin without moving and not as many people tried to FTE them as the top of hill spawns. It was shitty plat, but sometimes it was better than getting no spawns when 10 people were there.



Not sure how to quote closed threaads but that^^ is Llandris re: seafury camping

These are the types of situations that would be nice to have clarified in the formal server rules.

Does it matter if indoor or outdoor? Does it matter if named or not?

I for one would just prefer to just play nice and use common sense, but when confronted over something like this, I'd like to know the rules.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by wtsgoodtime [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These are the types of situations that would be nice to have clarified in the formal server rules.

Does it matter if indoor or outdoor? Does it matter if named or not?

I for one would just prefer to just play nice and use common sense, but when confronted over something like this, I'd like to know the rules.

This is not the first post like this here, and it certainly won't be the last. Personally I think posts like these are a side effect of two problems:

1. some of the actual P99 rules are never published
2. the rules which are published exist in several different places

Even leaving out the raid rules, P99 currently has five published rules pages:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=159515
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=132299
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=211699
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=2651
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=1057

That can't be helping people learn the rules here ... but even if they did read all of those posts they still wouldn't know some important server rules.

Now I understand why the staff doesn't want to publish "the real rules": they want (and, I'd argue, need) the freedom to make rulings on the fly ... but I still feel like there's a potential happy medium possible where they publish the real rules but still leave some details (eg. specific camps) unspecified so that they aren't constrained in their rulings.

Camps are a perfect example: there are the rules as published (in however many different places), and there are the actual rules. The actual rules are:

Originally Posted by Loramin

Outdoor Zones*: You can "camp" one mob, IF you wait at its spawn point and IF you kill both it and its placeholders in a timely fashion. You can camp more than one mob if you want, but if someone else shows up and wants to share you each get a single spawn point (as the person who was there first you get to pick which one).

Everything* in an outdoor zone that isn't explicitly coming from a camped spawn point is FTE (First to Engage). In other words, whoever agroes the mob first gets it.

Indoor Zones*: Similar to outdoor zones, but you usually can camp multiple mobs; instead of a single spawn point you typically use line of sight to decide where one person's camp stops and another's starts.

*: There are exceptions to both of the above. One obvious exception is raid mobs, which have their own set of rules. There are others though, like the two spawn point camp for the Goblin Ghazugi Ring: I believe most GMs won't force you to share those two spawn points, but there's no way to know for sure until someone petitions you.

P99 could still make the rules so much clearer by:

1. having a single rules page
2. including all of the "real" server rules (but not a specific camp list) in that document

I would be more than happy to do the work of trying to create that document IF it was desired, but unfrotunately for now the status quo of five documents with parts of the rules left out seems to be what the staff wants.