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Old 08-25-2013, 05:06 PM
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Always pulled snap aggro over epic wars with x2 rmoy, dont care about your calculations, i know that shit always snapped aggro over epics in grps or on a small raid.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:47 AM
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So is it a bug or working as intended and classic? I confused...
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Old 08-26-2013, 02:36 PM
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Hard to say. Maybe back then not everyone would blow their load on a mob as soon as it was pulled and let the warrior get agro. I'm sure those people existed but you would quickly identify them as baddies and distance yourself from them. Also, when you created a rogue they didn't spawn in their starting city with a Ragebringer, as they do here.

The Epic procs 100DD and then the agro DoT. The dot lasts about 2 minutes i think? I seldom see the message that is has wore off, but I have. Anyways, that means you just did 100 agro to a mob, with x per tick. You are easily going to be surpassed by an enchanter that instant tashes, or a shaman that instant slows. It's irritating and happens every time, which is why I use VP weapons. With the VP snap agro, you do it all at once (579), and it can compete with this fast paced game were trying to force upon eq, that we have probably learned from WoW or whatever else.
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Old 08-26-2013, 03:09 PM
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This is Classic. Knights were almost preferred exp grinding tanks with disease cloud/stun.
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Old 08-26-2013, 03:26 PM
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thanks for the input...wow so war epic=shit, except for stats...

why the fuck is anyone gonna pay 500k for the goddamn green scale on top of racing for maestro, on top of all the other shit?

oh wait that's right...dem lightsabres! pew pew!

ugh...i'm gonna need to get Botbde...
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Old 08-26-2013, 05:15 PM
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Code:
Warrior A                        	Warrior B	APH	APD	ASH	ASD	AHATE	BPH	BPD	BSH	BSD	BHATE	Diff	Spell	     Estimate								
Epic+Star of the Guardian	Dagas+Ixi Sceptre	22	14	21	14	844	46	11	31	15	1477	633	Rage of Vallon	600								
Yak Scim+Ixi Sceptre      	GuardianStar+Epic	14	8	0	15	266	28	14	14	14	896	630	Ykesha	        575								
Veridix+Ixi Sceptre         	Dagas+Ixi Sceptre	27	13	16	15	888	56	11	26	15	1622	734	Force Shock	679								
SarnakWarhammer+Shield         	Ixi Sceptre+Epic	84	9	0	0	1680	56	15	37	14	1974	294	Stun     	250								
Malevolent RB+Ixi Sceptre	Dagas+Ixi Sceptre	16	13	9	15	519	47	11	19	15	1319	800	Froglok Poison	750								
Yak Scimitar+Shield        	Ixi Sceptre+Epic	29	8	0	0	551	27	15	31	15	1167	616	Ykesha    	575								
2x Disease Cloud            	Dagas+Ixi Sceptre	0	0	0	0	0	39	11	18	15	1128	1128	Disease Cloud	550								
2x Shadow Vortex           	Dagas+Ixi Sceptre	0	0	0	0	0	40	11	16	15	1120	1120	Shadow Vortex	550								
SarnakWarhammer+Shield         	Ixi Sceptre+Epic	10	9	0	0	200	19	15	13	14	676	476	Stun         	400
I got Cucumbers, Dagorn, and Coeur to help me with the test I described earlier in this thread.

Conclusions: I'm not 100% sure this is totally working. All of the results make sense except first one for the Sarnak Warhammer. If I had to guess, I would say:
  • Stun is 400 aggro
  • 0.0 stun is 500 aggro (no idea why)
  • Poison aggro is 225 per counter
  • DD aggro is 1 per point
I don't think there is any aggro dot (although this test would not be able to tell the difference). When I looked up the alla page, multiple people were claiming the warrior epic should have an AC/ATK debuff (but the person who actually parsed spdat.eff in early 2001 just showed the hate and DD; see http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum...hp/t-6905.html and http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=2630). I'm guessing that the difference in "snap aggro" that Luchino notices is mostly due to the increased melee hate of the Feverblade (plus the proc should be a bit better than the epic according to this). If he is higher on the hate list to begin with then when he procs he'll be more likely to jump to the top of the list.

Here's what my sperglord spreadsheet has to say about warrior aggro:
  • Feverblade/Shissar 87 hate/sec [that's with 11/20 Feverblade even]
  • Epic/Shissar 80 hate/sec
  • Veldrak/Veridix 80 hate/sec
  • Howling Cutlass/Malevolent Runeblade: 79 hate/sec
  • Blade of the Black Dragon Eye/Ringed Mace of the Ykesha 78 hate/sec
  • Ringed Mace x2: 70 hate/sec
  • Epic/Epic 67 hate/sec
None of this is particularly surprising: it basically says you need two of VP/BOTBDE/Red Epic. Also this list is slightly unfair to the Blade of Tactics; most warriors won't hit 255 dex without it or avatar.
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Old 08-26-2013, 05:44 PM
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Just a thought after I logged off:

On the parses, can you see how long the sarnak warhammer stun lasted for?

first test: 250 hate, did it last 2.5 seconds?
second test: 400 hate, did it last 4 seconds?

wouldn't that be interesting?

edit: I should note that almost everywhere I've looked it lists rage of vallon as a spell that lasts up to 2 minutes

Why is this?
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Old 08-26-2013, 07:25 PM
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I should note that almost everywhere I've looked it lists rage of vallon as a spell that lasts up to 2 minutes

Why is this?


Because its an agro over time spell. I kept using the term DoT, poor usage i guess. Also meaning its NOT 600 agro instantly. 100DD (100 agro) and 25 agro per tick for 2 mins.
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Old 08-26-2013, 07:28 PM
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Because its an agro over time spell. I kept using the term DoT, poor usage i guess. Also meaning its NOT 600 agro instantly. 100DD (100 agro) and 25 agro per tick for 2 mins.
I see

I guess the intent of the warrior epic was to help warriors maintain aggro over time, putting them ahead of rogues/monks

In a time where, like you said, everyone didn't blow their load instantly.. makes sense I guess.

That's a shame to be honest.
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Old 08-26-2013, 07:41 PM
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Because its an agro over time spell. I kept using the term DoT, poor usage i guess. Also meaning its NOT 600 agro instantly. 100DD (100 agro) and 25 agro per tick for 2 mins.
I really do not think this is the case.

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spellraw....35&source=Live
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spellraw....41&source=Live
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spellraw....24&source=Live
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