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Old 01-03-2015, 09:16 PM
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He should proc both char and his 650 dmg AE. When i tested sonta on live the only spells that had a cast message were:

[Wed Dec 31 11:01:53 2014] Sontalak begins to cast a spell. <Beholder Dispel>
[Wed Dec 31 11:01:48 2014] Sontalak begins to cast a spell. <Dragon Roar>
[Wed Dec 31 11:01:56 2014] Sontalak begins to cast a spell. <Annul Self>

No cast message:
[Wed Dec 31 11:02:12 2014] You resist the Molten Breath spell!
[Wed Dec 31 11:02:15 2014] You resist the Char spell!
Sontalak was changed a bunch before Planes of Power.

He was toned down and made easier multiple times.

Theres a reason why hardly anyone killed him in the Velious era and it wasn't because of a Char proc.
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Old 03-22-2015, 10:02 PM
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Found some more info today on Sontalak on the safehouse forums from 2001-02

We tested the updated version of sontalak and he is working much better then the old version was, char is procing correctly and often like it should but something is still missing. Only issue i found was his Molten breath AE proc has a 12 second reuse timer. Where it shouldn't have a reuse timer at all. It can proc twice in one second just like char or you can go half the fight and get very lucky without it procing once.

Source:http://web.archive.org/web/200305091...art=21&stop=40

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Fast heals in the early seconds of the battles really piss off Sontalak and with his triple 650ish hits and his 700 dd proc, 650 ae proc, and dispell. A cleric/healer who gets aggro fast won't live more then a couple seconds.
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Only thing that kills people is his 700 dd proc and his 650 proc AE. Which both go often very often. Although, if you have a brave Shaman, you could try chain crippling him to keep his proc rate as low as possible. His 2 Procs are exactly like Venril Sathir's proc. They won't go off if he's not actually hitting you.
And a newer post about Sontalak being a badass
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Sont is one of those unique mobs that remains nearly as tough as he was through several expansions, and is one of the few where the difference between life and death is often dependant on luck rather than skill (his proc luck to be specific).
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Old 03-23-2015, 01:24 PM
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I could have swore both of Sontalak's procs were AE's but maybe Molten Breath was just so frequent it seemed like it.

Proc chance probably needs to be increased if it's still at 5%

Flurry 25% and Atk Delay 1500ms from Torven's data
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Old 03-23-2015, 07:21 PM
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EQlizer - Sontalak

Max Melee: 425 damage
AE Fire 650 max dmg
AE Dispel

Here is another blip from Everlore: On: 5/5/2001 12:18:53 AM

"Okay, this guy is by no means easy, we tried him tonight, about 73 level 55 - 60's (mostly 60)
and he just shredded through all of us, he hits for about 600 as well as a proc on every hit that seems to be a lure based
fire spell for 650 dmg, sorta like conflaguration. Either way, he is level 74, he hits hard, and as with all dragons
ae dispells. We got him down to 40% health before we all were dead. oh well we will try again

Edy on Ayonae Ro"
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Old 03-24-2015, 11:04 AM
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Log from Al'Kabor showing Sontalak procing Molten breath x2 in a 2-3 second period. Currently on beta molten breath has a 12 second reuse timer which is incorrect.

[Thu Nov 07 23:16:44 2013] You resist the Molten Breath spell!
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:47 2013] Your body combusts as the lava hits you. You have taken 650 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:53 2013] You resist the Molten Breath spell!


[Thu Nov 07 23:16:43 2013] Sontalak tries to claw YOU, but misses!
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:43 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 425 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:43 2013] You feel your skin ignite and char. You have taken 702 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:43 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 335 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:43 2013] You feel your skin ignite and char. You have taken 555 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:44 2013] You resist the Molten Breath spell!
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:44 2013] You have been healed for 4764 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:44 2013] You feel a healing touch.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:44 2013] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:44 2013] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:45 2013] You try to slash Sontalak, but miss!
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:45 2013] You try to slash Sontalak, but Sontalak dodges!
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:45 2013] Sontalak tries to claw YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:45 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 140 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:46 2013] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:46 2013] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:46 2013] You begin casting Light of Nife.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:46 2013] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:46 2013] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:47 2013] Your eyes stop tingling.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:47 2013] Your body combusts as the lava hits you. You have taken 650 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:47 2013] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:48 2013] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:48 2013] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:48 2013] Sontalak tries to claw YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:48 2013] Sontalak tries to claw YOU, but misses!
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:48 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 425 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:48 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 425 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:48 2013] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:48 2013] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:48 2013] You have been healed for 850 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:48 2013] You are bathed in the light of life.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:48 2013] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:48 2013] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:48 2013] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:48 2013] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:49 2013] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:49 2013] Sontalak tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:50 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 425 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:50 2013] You feel your skin ignite and char. You have taken 309 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:50 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 140 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:50 2013] You resist the Char spell!
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:50 2013] Sontalak executes a FLURRY of attacks on Torrin!
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:50 2013] Sontalak bashes YOU for 132 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:50 2013] You feel your skin ignite and char. You have taken 190 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:50 2013] Sontalak tries to claw YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:50 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 365 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:50 2013] Sontalak tries to claw YOU, but misses!
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:50 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 140 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:50 2013] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:50 2013] Sontalak bashes YOU for 127 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:50 2013] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:50 2013] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:50 2013] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:50 2013] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:50 2013] Sontalak begins to cast a spell.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:50 2013] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:50 2013] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:51 2013] Your natural might fades.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:51 2013] You have stopped regenerating.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:51 2013] Your restless nature fades.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:51 2013] Your mind returns to normal.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:51 2013] You feel very dispelled.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:52 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 260 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:52 2013] You feel your skin ignite and char. You have taken 702 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:52 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 290 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:52 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 320 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:52 2013] Sontalak tries to claw YOU, but misses!
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:52 2013] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:53 2013] You resist the Molten Breath spell!
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:55 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 140 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:55 2013] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:55 2013] You have been healed for 850 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:55 2013] You are bathed in the light of life.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:55 2013] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:55 2013] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:55 2013] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:55 2013] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:56 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 365 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:56 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 200 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:58 2013] Your eyes tingle.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:58 2013] Sontalak tries to bash YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:58 2013] Sontalak tries to claw YOU, but misses!
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:58 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 275 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:58 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 350 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:58 2013] You resist the Char spell!
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:58 2013] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:58 2013] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Thu Nov 07 23:16:59 2013] You begin casting Supernal Cleansing.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:00 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 140 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:00 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 155 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:00 2013] Your spell is interrupted.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:01 2013] You begin casting Supernal Cleansing.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:01 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 425 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:01 2013] You resist the Char spell!
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:01 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 395 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:01 2013] You feel your skin ignite and char. You have taken 702 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:02 2013] Your spell is interrupted.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:02 2013] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:02 2013] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:03 2013] You begin casting Light of Nife.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:03 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 155 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:03 2013] Sontalak tries to claw YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:03 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 275 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:03 2013] You resist the Char spell!
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:03 2013] Sontalak tries to claw YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:03 2013] Sontalak begins to cast a spell.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:04 2013] Your spell is interrupted.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:04 2013] You begin casting Light of Nife.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:04 2013] Your eyes stop tingling.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:04 2013] Your protection fades.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:04 2013] Your summer haze clears.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:04 2013] The seasonal haze clears.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:04 2013] You feel very dispelled.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:04 2013] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:04 2013] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:05 2013] You have been healed for 850 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:05 2013] You are bathed in the light of life.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:05 2013] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:05 2013] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:05 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 140 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:05 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 140 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:05 2013] Sontalak claws YOU for 350 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:05 2013] Sontalak says 'Ack! I must be careful not to step on that body, it tastes much better when it is still crunchy, not pulped!'
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:05 2013] You feel your skin ignite and char. You have taken 702 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:05 2013] You have been knocked unconscious!
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:05 2013] You have been slain by Sontalak!
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:07 2013] Returning to home point, please wait...
[Thu Nov 07 23:17:08 2013] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
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Old 03-27-2015, 03:45 AM
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Sontalak has, from multiple sources, about 100k hp. There is no mention of him having significant regen of any sort (video below does not show it either).

I did parse Sontalak on live for 10min to try and figure out how often he cast stuff - While I realize that live may not quite be classic, it still has some interesting data.

Here are the results -

Length of fight - 600 seconds
Note - Times vary, he does not appear to have fixed intervals on casting, although there may be upper and lower bounds (see data at end)

# Beholder Dispell - 43 = 1 per 14sec avg (note this is a targeted ae)
# Dragon Roar -16 = 1 per 37.5sec avg
# Annul Self - 16 = 1 per 37.5sec avg
# Lava Breath - 37 = 1 per 16sec avg (this appears to have been molten breath renamed - 650dd on live)
# Flurry - 80 = 1 per 7.5sec avg

# Char - 187 = 1 per 3.2sec avg - (lol 974dmg on live) - note this is a % chance per hit, not actually random

Char is interesting - I wanted to pull out the char data, here is what I found -
- Char only lands on a hit (ie evasive 4tw) - dodge, miss, etc = no proc
- Char does not proc on a bash
- # Char procs per hit - # Sontalak you dodge (yes even from behind on live) = 116, # Sontalak misses = 314, # Sontalak hits = 639 (80 flurry messages btw) = 187char/639hits = 29.3% chance to proc Char per hit

I could only find a single classic Sontalak video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9opZFThy95w

It's not as helpful as it could be given the chat box being blocked, but it is interesting to parse it out -
Fight starts at 0:16 (despite it already going Sontalak is very near full health)
Fight ends at 2:31
Total length - 135sec

Beholder Dispell - 0:35?, 2:09 - impossible to tell how many are actually going off in this video
Lava Breath - 0:16, 0:31, 0:50, 1:16, 1:30, 1:45, 2:01, 2:15 - get rid of 1st one, that averages about 19sec (16sec with 1st one) - ie pretty darn close to current live fire rates given small sample size.
Fear - 1:37, 2:12 - This is once every 67sec, but note there is weird behavior going on with a skull icon (0:16 its on, 0:35 its off, 0:56 its on, 1:17 its off), note that for definite fear, it's on from 2:12 to 2:35). This suggests to me that fear has landed at the start of the video and at 0:56 as well. Also suggests to me classic fear had some interesting mechanics that may have allowed casting and prevented some movement - at least in the last tick or two, or else is easy to resist some of the effects even if icon lands. While under the influence of fear, he is clearly able to cast at some points in the 2nd tick at some points in the 3rd, but is apparently unable to move until the last tick or until fear wears off. With the extra likely fear (not including the skewing data 1st one at 0:16), you have 3 fears for 45sec average. Ie, live fire rate appears to be very close to classic fire rate based on the limited data we have.

Mini-Conclusion - The fire AE and fear AE appears to be the same fire rate on live and in a classic video. There is little reason to suspect that the char and beholder dispell, given their high rate of fire on live, is significantly different than classic as well if the other values are unchanged. You'd probably be doing Sontalak justice using current-live fire rates (from this parse) on P99.


PS - See invis link again - prolly circa 6/27/01 patch -
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/n...6&p=2#comments
Anonymous - 7/7/01 - "Hiya, just wanted to let you know that as of the last patch, you can no longer invis past him."

PSS - Interval data - 46:06 - 56:05 fight times
Lava/Molten Breath - (min = 12sec, max = 31sec) 9, 12, 16, 17, 13, 31, 15, 19, 16, 20, 14, 16, 12, 12, 29, 17, 20, 13, 12, 14, 12, 23, 20, 16, 14, 13, 25, 18, 13, 15, 20, 13, 12, 14, 12, 14, 12 - ignoring 1st
Fear - (min = 36sec, max = 44sec) 1, 41, 36, 42, 36, 36, 37, 38, 41, 46, 36, 44, 37, 37, 37, 37, 17 - 1st and last are bad data imo
Annul - (min = 36sec, max = 45sec) 10, 45, 39, 37, 37, 39, 36, 36, 37, 41, 40, 43, 37, 38, 36, 37, 9 - 1st and last are bad data imo

Conclusion - There definitely does appear to be a fixed range on him casting Breath, Fear, and Annul

Edit - With 100k hp and no regen, that video would peg their raid dps around 740dps.
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