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Old 10-13-2020, 12:56 AM
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The interesting thing to note is on p1999 resists are broken, and despite what the UI says, you can stack resists way over 255 and still get benefit. The 'real', 'hidden' cap seems to be four, maybe five hundred. Seeing as it seems any race can max their str / sta unbuffed with the minmax gear, but resists can't really be maxed, perhaps there is an argument the truest of the top SK minmax is in fact erudite, as they have a 5MR that no other races will ever get?!
http://wiki.project1999.com/Dragon_Roar

Dragon Roar has a -150 mr mod. Maybe if you put on 405 MR worth of gear+buffs/songs, you effectively have 255 versus Dragon Roar?
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Old 10-14-2020, 08:27 AM
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I always find it silly when people discuss the relative power of races based on the assumption of full BiS gear. How many players actually get there? Especially on a class that competes with warriors for gear? It's basically just a thought experiment at that point. It's especially odd when people start talking about putting points in strength to make the early levels easier, as if this discussion was anything more than empty theorycrafting.

Prior to ToV, SK gear has surprisingly little stamina. The Thurg/Kael/SS sets are what most will settle for as their final goal. Full sets have the following total stats:

Thurg - 31 STR, 12 STA, 1 AGI, 11 DEX, 29 INT
Kael - 38 STR, 11 STA, 8 AGI, 22 DEX, 29 INT
SS - 34 STR, 32 STA, 12 AGI, 25 DEX, 26 INT

If you have an eurdite with 75 stamina or whatever, you'll need 130 stamina from gear even with the shaman buff. 180 without it (it's one of the first buffs you want to get rid of to get an extra buff slot). You're not getting that with the kind of gear that 99.5% of players have any hopes of seeing.

Erudites are neat in a thought experiment. In the real world where almost nobody gets even half a set of ToV gear, it's a race that'll handicap you for life. It'll be like playing an extra bad version of a class that already kind of sucks.

Let's look at a more realistic set of gear that can actually be obtained by mortal men:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:AverageSK

That's with 15 points in stamina, too. And even that gear would be ambitious for the average player.

Talk about +5 MR as if it matters more than fifty points of stamina...
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Old 10-14-2020, 09:10 AM
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Group tanks don't need a great deal of HP. Pick up the high AC items on raids instead. Defensive disciplines are what really matter and SKs don't have one. Knight gear might not have a lot of STA but it's loaded with raw HP and no competition with Warriors over it, just other hybrids which are rare enough. Cloak of Silver Eyes. Boots of Dark Passage. Blood Runed Gauntlets/Girdle. Ashenbone Shield. ToV snowcone. If wanting to min/max finesse stats, go Warrior imo. Otherwise, choose the race you think looks coolest.
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Old 10-14-2020, 12:34 PM
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And you don't need to equip rings and earrings to tank XP mobs, but if you don't do it, you're handing yourself a huge disadvantage for no reason. Playing an erudite SK instead of an ogre is basically the same as playing without rings and earrings. People are more than welcome to play the race that they think is neatest, but in any discussion about what's best, it's asinine to begin talking about how erudites are actually fine as long as you simply have the best gear that exists in the game. How many BiS SKs exist on blue? Is there even one, after all these years?
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Old 10-14-2020, 04:03 PM
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I played an eru SK to 60 without twinking. It's super fun and fashionable . Get some flayed skin and a soul binder..BOOM ! you win eq fashion quest.

For lvling purposes I'd suggest 15 STR. 5agi. Just to make life easier. Min max isn't what it's about. Its the journey
I'm no expert, but this is exactly what I did with my Eru Pal. You don't play an Erudite tank for min/max. Unless you have a solid set of twink gear with STR, you're going to want STR and 5pts of AGI for the AC penalty. Wearing plate without any added STR on an Erudite is tough going early on. The only thing that sucks about this in the long run (50+) is that str is virtually worthless due to sufficient gear stats and a general lack of usefulness. It's still the way I would go without twinking.
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Old 10-14-2020, 05:01 PM
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And you don't need to equip rings and earrings to tank XP mobs, but if you don't do it, you're handing yourself a huge disadvantage for no reason. Playing an erudite SK instead of an ogre is basically the same as playing without rings and earrings. People are more than welcome to play the race that they think is neatest, but in any discussion about what's best, it's asinine to begin talking about how erudites are actually fine as long as you simply have the best gear that exists in the game. How many BiS SKs exist on blue? Is there even one, after all these years?
Every race/class is fine imo. Less gear just means other party members have to pay closer attention, which can make xp grind sessions more exciting. It would be interesting if there was a Dark Souls deprived type race/class option in EQ, where players could choose to be a beggar character with low starting stats across the board and faction issues in all of Norrath. There's min/max, but then there's also the opposite of that, just not to such extremes. Doing more with less adds an element of danger in otherwise run of the mill content.
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