Rangers - Page 6

webrunner5 · #51 07-05-2012, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There aren't really any redeeming mechanics for rangers. It's possible for a ranger in BiS gear played by an excellent player to do better than a rogue in mediocre gear played by a lazy player. Doesn't prove anything. All else being equal, ranger is in the wrong half of the class hierarchy for every possible role - DPS, nuking, tanking, healing, buffing - of all the classes that can do those things at all. You have to be able to enjoy the fact that you can do all of them to some degree, because rangers certainly aren't specialists. The facilities simply don't exist for them to be able to do top DPS, and that's the only role that they aren't decidedly awful at. It really is a total crap class but it's possible to have a succesful group/raid with a ranger in it just as it's possible to do with someone who's five levels under everyone else. It's just not efficient in any way.

You are talking crazy stuff. A low to mid Warrior can't DPS worth a crap or hold agro worth a crap. A Paladin, unless against un dead is no DPS champ either. A SK is no real DPS champ either. Better than a Pally but not much. No Tank just knocks the crap out of anything. A Monk is probably at the top DPS wise but you will probably be using it to pull also. So the Cleric has to heal him as a tank and then he is about dead when he comes back from a pull. Not very mana efficent.

I am not saying a Ranger is Gods gift to this game but they are sure as heck not as bad as you make them out to be. Nobody is going to out damage a Rogue DPS wise but there is about 15 of them on line at any time. So big deal.

Danyelle · #52 07-05-2012, 08:22 PM

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You are talking crazy stuff. A low to mid Warrior can't DPS worth a crap or hold agro worth a crap. A Paladin, unless against un dead is no DPS champ either. A SK is no real DPS champ either. Better than a Pally but not much. No Tank just knocks the crap out of anything. A Monk is probably at the top DPS wise but you will probably be using it to pull also. So the Cleric has to heal him as a tank and then he is about dead when he comes back from a pull. Not very mana efficent.

I am not saying a Ranger is Gods gift to this game but they are sure as heck not as bad as you make them out to be. Nobody is going to out damage a Rogue DPS wise but there is about 15 of them on line at any time. So big deal.

Making fun of Rangers is about as common place as gnomes in Everquest. Many people likely fall back on the joke, thinking it's true, when in reality they know next to nothing about the class. For example, the "rangers die/suck/don't dps/worthless etc" joke is still very prevalent on Live, and yet, now, they are one of the best dps classes in the game (with a bow. Still meh with melee but not bad) and are semi-decent tanks in a pinch.

Not saying that's the case with the guy you quoted, just saying... lol

Broncoandy · #53 07-05-2012, 11:48 PM

Ranger? You'll never deal the most damage. You'll never take the least damage. You'll never heal the most, or buff the best. But you will always be in control, and you will never be helpless. Which is not something that can be said for monks, rogues, warriors, etc... Were they as good as they could have / should have been? Absolutely not. But that doesn't mean they're as terrible as people make them out to be either.

Razdeline · #54 07-06-2012, 03:57 AM

Need a velious geared raiding ranger to back me up on this, but wasn't Trueshot rediculous in velious?

For the time the Disc was up (2 min)-- I remember rangers doing some serious dps at range..

Heavydrop · #55 07-06-2012, 08:55 AM

Speaking of Velious and Rangers.... Will Quiver WR ever be added in?
I have a nice Thunderhoof Quiver sitting in my bank just waiting for me to level
my level 9 Ranger alt (yes... I will someday)

fadetree · #56 07-06-2012, 09:29 AM

Trueshot was/will be pretty good indeed, especially if quiver haste comes into play, which I *think* it will...gonna have to go research. That and weaponshield added quite a bit of utility. Plus the atk buffage in Velious was needed, as was panic animal. Overall, Ranger desireability goes up quite a bit in Velious imo.

Arclanz · #57 07-06-2012, 12:51 PM

Ranger Chronicles: http://www.whitewolfbrigade.com/wwb/...Chronicles.pdf

The only joke I ever heard about Rangers was "A ranger walks into a bar....loading..please wait." This joke centers on the fact that they draw a lot of aggro because of their high dps.

All this other stuff about they are crap or whatnot; never heard of it until this forum. But then I've read a lot of silly things on this forum.

fadetree · #58 07-06-2012, 01:23 PM

Thats a good writeup. WS debuffing is a particularly handy raid function..especially since the ranger can build up huge aggro with spells...then when slow lands and the tank taunts he'll get all that juicy aggro. Plus you can chain it if you need to and have another Ranger handy...which you'll need since the first will be down in that case [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maahes · #59 07-06-2012, 01:34 PM

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I think its more of the comparison of what they become post-velious, they are horrible. Finally had a ranged dps that doesn't depend on mana/mob resist.

In classic though,they do fine dps and can pull well outdoors.

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